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Old 06-16-2009, 12:03 PM
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What I don't understand is . . . . we're supposed to accept the gay lifestyle regardless . . . but they do not have to accept that there are people who disagree with their lifestyle. They MUST be accepted and push this every instance they can.

I don't care who you (collective you) sleep with, stop telling me who you sleep with, stop shoving it in my face, and stop making a big deal about it. Just shut up and live your life.
You don't have to accept them. You just have to accept that they want equal rights. Just like racists don't have to accept black people, but they DO have to accept that black people have equal rights.

Perhaps they're sick of us telling them who we sleep with, and shoving it in their faces, and making a big deal out of it: romance movies and novels, tv shows, books, magazines, billboards, ads of any type, walking down the street holding hands, etc. etc. Did you ever stop to see it from their point of view, Zoom? Everywhere a homosexual looks or goes, there are men and women together. Most movies, most books, most everything. They've been oppressed for millenia. This is what happens. After so many centuries of suppression, repression, oppression with the potential of death and torture for being who they are and there is no choice about it, they are now exploding out.

Why don't you just shut up and live your life? Why does it have to be them? Because you're right and they're wrong?
You just proved my point about the minority, CM. The majority of this country is heterosexual, not homosexual. But the majority is suppose to change it's view just because the minority is 'offended'? Please.

Aside from the marriage thing, what equal rights do homosexuals not enjoy? They vote, they adopt and raise children, they work, they adopt pets from the spca.

Poor homosexuals, having to see heterosexuals walking down the street! Like I said, why don't they just shut up and live their life. Like everyone should.
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Religious discrimination is the issue here. Her belief system involves the belief and dedication to the sanctity of marriage which to billions of Christians in the world is a religious sacrament. This is blatant religious discrimination the disclosure of which was solicited by a judge on the pageant panel. What's more, if she had been a lesbian and said that she believes in same sex marriages, and she got fired, would you argue the same point, on a religious standpoint or simply qualify her statement as her choice and civil right? How would you defending her?

The gay judge went on his blog and said that she was fired because she was a stupid bitch among other things, and Wayne Besen on the Hannity interview said that she was being politically incorrect in her response because she was a spokesperson for the pageant and not her own belief system. If that was a condition of qualifying, that she was to believe if not endorse same sex marriages to compete, then certainly she should have been notified. She was asked the question by a judge. Obviously it was part of his personal agenda considering her later firing. It was deliberate, and another opportunity to further the Gay Agenda. When the boyscouts were challenged regarding such policies at the onset of a scout troop leader coming out of the closet and disclosing his sexuality, the organization was asserted the constitutional right to make policies as they see fit. And rightfully so.

Also, Donald Trump backed her up completely, initially, and was later bombarded with strife from the Gay Community. If the perception here is that she is to represent the United States then how it that any different from a President representing a country who does not believe in same sex marriages? Must we now relegate the moral integrity of presidents as well? There is no diferent in terms of how public figures represent themselves.

If anything, I applaud her sense of conviction in terms of such a controversial/unpopular subject. She started with diplomacy and ended with complete honesty. Had she been a lesbian who endorsed same sex marriages, and was fired, it would have caused massive protests nationwide.

Homosexuality represents one percent of the population in this country and far less than that agree with same sex marriages. That includes the majority in California no doubt. So essentially, on a broader perspective, she is correctly representing the majority in this country and in her state.

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Don't know if that number is accurate but homosexuals are the minority in this country. So, why all the cow-towing to them? Because that's what this country has become, a country that favors the minority and the majority be damned.
Because lots of straight people believe in equality for people other than themselves. Sad that you can't see this.
Wrong, I have no problem with equality. I have problem with a minority shoving their view and their lifestyle into the face of others and insisting that it be accepted.
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Perhaps they're sick of us telling them who we sleep with, and shoving it in their faces, and making a big deal out of it: romance movies and novels, tv shows, books, magazines, billboards, ads of any type, walking down the street holding hands, etc. etc. Did you ever stop to see it from their point of view, Zoom? Everywhere a homosexual looks or goes, there are men and women together. Most movies, most books, most everything. They've been oppressed for millenia. This is what happens. After so many centuries of suppression, repression, oppression with the potential of death and torture for being who they are and there is no choice about it, they are now exploding out.

Why don't you just shut up and live your life? Why does it have to be them? Because you're right and they're wrong?
Most of the stuff you listed doesn't take place over in Iran. maybe they should live there and life would be better and they wouldn't have to endure all of that 'heterosexual/normal' stuff on display everywhere like it is here?
Except for the minor fact that they kill gays there. I mean other then that, it would be ideal
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Don't know if that number is accurate but homosexuals are the minority in this country. So, why all the cow-towing to them? Because that's what this country has become, a country that favors the minority and the majority be damned.
No, this is a country that favors equal rights and the majority be damned.
Equal rights for all is fine but I don't believe that is how it is in this country at this time. The minority is greatly favored at the expense of many other factors. Have to hire someone? Must meet your 'minority quota', even if it means hiring a less qualified person for the job. How's that make sense?
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Well, what I find intriguing about you is that you are the flip side of the coin of that which you denigrate so much, and yet you don't seem to realize it. But, you're so predicatable, I was just waiting for you to respond and you didn't let me down. Same shit, different day.
Well, I can't deny that I'm predictable. You aren't the first person to tell me, and as much as I hate to admit (being an totally extreme mountain climber and doing the Dew, and all) you're right: I'm predictable.

However, I don't know what you mean about being on the flip side of that which I denigrate so much. Care to explain?
You have no trouble impeding the rights of those you see as 'the majority' if it favors whatever minority or victim du jour that you are trying to defend. You seem to see that as somehow being 'fair' I can only assume. I think that you feel that if someone is in a majority group then they should be willing to abide getting their rights trampled on in favor of a minority because that somehow evens out the karma for you, and 'rights' past wrongs or something. If all people are truly equal, then it shouldn't matter what group they belong too, but to people who share the same political outlook as you it most definitely matters. I'm realistic enough to know that life is not fair, people are not fair, situations are not fair, that's just the way it is. No amount of government intrusion or legislation is ever going to change that. People are not born with equal intelligence, equal physical beauty, equal financial situations, etc... You're trying to create something that will never exist. You can not force people to accept things they do not think is right, any more than you would accept something that you don't feel is right. Why you think your cause is more 'just' is what I find intriguing, because it's not.
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You have no trouble impeding the rights of those you see as 'the majority' if it favors whatever minority or victim du jour that you are trying to defend. You seem to see that as somehow being 'fair' I can only assume. I think that you feel that if someone is in a majority group then they should be willing to abide getting their rights trampled on in favor of a minority because that somehow evens out the karma for you, and 'rights' past wrongs or something. If all people are truly equal, then it shouldn't matter what group they belong too, but to people who share the same political outlook as you it most definitely matters. I'm realistic enough to know that life is not fair, people are not fair, situations are not fair, that's just the way it is. No amount of government intrusion or legislation is ever going to change that. People are not born with equal intelligence, equal physical beauty, equal financial situations, etc... You're trying to create something that will never exist. You can not force people to accept things they do not think is right, any more than you would accept something that you don't feel is right. Why you think your cause is more 'just' is what I find intriguing, because it's not.
Whose rights are impeded by the government recognizing same-sex marriage?

Why I think that this cause is "more just" than maintaining the government's non-sanction of same-sex marriage is because I believe in equality. Homosexuals are not equal to heterosexuals in this country because heterosexuals can marry the person they love and the government recognizes that, but homosexuals can't marry the person they love and have it recognized by the government.

I understand that not everyone is born equal in certain attributes or characteristics, but I think all people should be recognized as equal because it is the civilized and humane way to behave toward eachother. Life isn't fair, people aren't fair, but lady justice is supposed to wear a blind fold to treat everyone without prejudice. To be without prejudice is what the government is supposed to be.

I don't think there is anything wrong with homosexuality or homosexuals. I don't hate them and I don't hate it. I understand that homosexuality is not a choice. And I know that it doesn't harm people. My uncle can't marry his life partner of 13 years and receive the same status as every other married couple outside of 6 states. That is wrong. This country is founded on human rights and equal rights. That's why I served in the Marine Corps. I swore to uphold the Constitution and although I am no longer an Active Duty Marine: once a Marine, always a Marine. I still swear to live by the principal of equal rights for all.

Why do you have a problem with homosexuality?
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Why isn't a civil union acceptable then?
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Egads, another day another narrow minded anti-gay thread. Seems rights are a hard fight. Trump fired the beauty pageant winner, ask him why? As far as the slippery slope and protect the children hooey, ban marriage as it sure as hell causes more pain than gays and gay marriage.

Is anyone born heterosexual? If so, what made them heterosexual? If it learning then we can learn anything. If it is genes then could genes be different in some. So in the end you face a quandary. So do something I suggest often, switch hit and see how cute his/her butt is and if that holding hands and hugging her/him is your style. Good luck and report back soon.

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Why isn't a civil union acceptable then?
Kinda flirting with the whole seperate but equal thing...

So you recognize then that gays should in fact be given the same rights and benefits afforded to heterosexual couples under marriage; however, you are now arguing semantics. While I agree marriage in our society has many religious conotations, marriage has been around longer than Christianity, Islam, or Judism and is much more a human institution than a religious one. Furthermore, in a secular democracy, religion should play at most a marginal role in shaping policy. So a religious objection to gay marriage is not valid in a country whose rights are established in a Constitution.

I would argue that in the eyes of the state every relationship between to consenting adults should be called a civil union and if you want to get married with your partner in the eyes of god then go to a fucking church of your choosing.
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Why isn't a civil union acceptable then?
You mean "Separate but Equal"?
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Wrong, I have no problem with equality. I have problem with a minority shoving their view and their lifestyle into the face of others and insisting that it be accepted.
Whats wrong with a group of people trying to attain the same rights and benefits that are presently available to you? Just because they are comprised of a minority of the society doesnt make their conquest unjust. In fact I would argue that fighting for equal rights is a very just battle.

The fact that they are a "minority" is in and of itself of little consequence. James Madison warns of the "tyranny of the majority" or as he called it "the violence of the majority faction" in Federalist 10. Our Republic is not a true democratic state and has build in mechanisms to ensure that the rights of minority groups are not oppressed by an unjust majority.
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I understand that not everyone is born equal in certain attributes or characteristics, but I think all people should be recognized as equal because it is the civilized and humane way to behave toward eachother. Life isn't fair, people aren't fair, but lady justice is supposed to wear a blind fold to treat everyone without prejudice. To be without prejudice is what the government is supposed to be.

I don't think there is anything wrong with homosexuality or homosexuals. I don't hate them and I don't hate it. I understand that homosexuality is not a choice. And I know that it doesn't harm people. My uncle can't marry his life partner of 13 years and receive the same status as every other married couple outside of 6 states. That is wrong. This country is founded on human rights and equal rights. That's why I served in the Marine Corps. I swore to uphold the Constitution and although I am no longer an Active Duty Marine: once a Marine, always a Marine. I still swear to live by the principal of equal rights for all.
Same sex marriages is misinterpreted to be a equal rights issue. At the very core of this argument lies several factors which are perpetually asserted to be a privilege. Marriage is an institution. A collaboration between a man and a woman. Any other dynamic falls under the category of opportunity, not privilege.

In Kansas, a man actually won the right to marry his goat because the goat was his major source of income. Now mind you, not only can I not post URL's yet in here until I reach a certain post count, but you all must know stranger things have been place in the potential legislative arena.

So let's go down that road for a moment. In terms of equality and loving whomever you wish, wish I agree, and exercising the ultimate commitment of marriage: how do you feel about a brother marrying a sister? Or a father marrying a daughter? I don't agree of course, and it goes beyond the potentiality of conceiving a genetically deformed child, should that have come to fruition.

My question is where does the rights of marrage stop? What are the currently acceptable parameters of meeting its criteria?

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Marriage confers on the couple rights that no other contract does. As such gays deserve those same rights under the constitution. Gay marriage is not incestuous as your examples, and since men and women are allowed to marry why has the slippery slope not slide before now? BS argument.

Is this your goat married in Iowa?

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Today marks a new beginning in the fight for free speech in this country. Here we have a young lady who was asked a question about Same Sex Marriages. She answered sincerely. Now she's fired. After several attempts to meet her commitment to appear for various functions, she was blackballed and advised that her only responsibility was to win and keep a smile on her face through all of it. Her attorneys advised pageant officials of the increasing evidence in their possession that indeed she was fired because of being politicaly incorrect. That along with emails and testimony from organizations who had engagements set for her appearances which were subsequently cancelled, but not by Ms. Prejean.

This is about the Massive Gay Agenda in this country which has become the New Millennium of Free Speech. But it's not win, but an incredible loss for Homosexuals in this country.

Nothing could be more obvious. This young lady now has a huge lawsuit against Pageant Officials because she kept a record of every engagement contact at the advise of her attorney. She will prove, with great backing, that she was PREVENTED from touring the country because of the Gay Community's fear that she will continue to assert her position regarding same sex marriages. I back her up completely!

These kind of threats to a person's career, job and occupation because of the Homosexual agenda will come to a halt after her attorneys are finished with them. But there's so much going on here, for a very long time which begs the question about the Ethical Boundaries of the Gay Agenda.

I think many of us agree that no human being should have their civil liberties compromised due to race, creed, color and, sexual preferences. In fact, I never really understood how the gay community became such a focus back then, given the fact that it was simply a difference of sexuality. Something I've always considered as quite personal. That is until I realized that operating from a back door, living in a closet is in itself a tremendous burden on their dignity and quality of life. Their preferred life. One that for centuries has been viewed as deviant and gross and misaligned in terms of following the moral majority of this country.

I suppose, in the scheme of things, I am still rather ignorant in attempting to understand how all of this became an issue, because it is very difficult to stereotype homosexuality. They come from all walks of life, all races, creeds, colors with one common denominator. Their sexuality. This thing that even today is still pretty much locked up behind closed doors as something very intimate and very much our own business. It's unlikely that anyone would ask about someones sexuality. Even if it came to pass that that person clearly has a same gender preference. The more sensible individual would most likely respect the "privacy" of that individual, regardless of any disclosure.

But the evolution of strife between the moral majority and homosexuals clearly indicates that something is wrong. Not with the diverse sense of sexuality, but with the open introduction of such a lifestyle where it suddenly became a political vehicle. As I recall, the first legal battle that came to play in the City was Right-of Survivorship for a New York City Apartment. This successful case was the first of it's kind. Two people living together for many years in the same apartment with only one named occupant should have the right to stay in that apartment should the occupant on record die. There are many logistics to this on both sides. New York City Landlords, because of rent control, fought the battle because they would still be locked into a rent controlled situation of that lease should there be a successful conveyance of named occupant. It was not a matter of homosexual prejudice. The landlords were just losing money in the long run, as you might expect. But because only one "single" occupant could sign a lease until the law was changed, (with the exception of students), as opposed to a married couple or an immediate family member under the same roof, it was believed that no right-of-survivorship could be asserted.

They were wrong. It was determined that to begin with, evidence of substantial contribution to the maintenance of that apartment would have to be established. Rent receipts, house insurance, household items, etc. The unnamed individual would have to clearly establish that he/she has played an equal role in their co-habitation at such a residence. In the twenty five cases that soon surfaced, almost all had established this criteria. There was no mention of homosexuality in this legislation, but certainly within all the pleadings, motions, briefs and testimony during this proceeding. The point being that there was no reason the second or third or fourth individual (having met this criteria) could not be later named on a lease who was not a spouse or immediate family member or legal dependant.

I completely agreed with this. And there is no ethical boundary under such legislation nor does it encroach on anyone's civil liberties. Not in the least.

Then came the issue of health insurance. Another successful proceeding which established the term "Life-Partner." This was also a first in history where it was argued that if someone spent a certain amount of time, under the same circumstances and criteria, as with right-of-survivorship, they should be able to provide health insurance to the other, as they are both equally dependant on each other's survival. This too was plausible, but suddenly the balance of equal rights became disproportioned because the legal definition of a "Life-partner" was successfully established to refer exclusively to gay partners. Not heterosexuals living together.

Thus the evolution of a bona fide legal union between two individuals of the same sex. On a legal standpoint, this was indeed prejudicial and outrageous and later changed to include and equally accommodate the heterosexual couple, but with a great deal of modification, as you might imagine. But the controversy took many turns once these two primary pieces of legislation came to fruition. Suddenly the gay community became empowered beyond any legal structure, and came out completely. But what came out is where the ethical boundaries comes to mind.

Naturally I would have to mention right of adoption of a baby and the subsequent concept of Same Sex Marriages. But weirder things have been passed historically in various states on the topic of marriage and who or "what" can we marry. It should have come as no surprise, perhaps. But the law can be greatly manipulated under the concept of liberty and pursuit of happiness, whatever that takes for someone to achieve in their survival, and more often that you would think the most bazaar of circumstances not only make it into court, but is argued successfully. Thus you have a man from Kentucky who is legally married to his goat because it's milk is his primary source of income. We've all heard about this type of thing. But I doubt society would take this case into account when attempting to reassert the primary core values of the moral majority. Homosexual marriages however, is something greatly significant in terms of introducing yet another legally viable lifestyle. There are problems with this, not only fundamentally or religiously.

It would stand to reason that our children will be subjected to the infinite environmental aspects of their respective lives without the benefit of any immediate parental supervision once they walk out the door. We as parents are left to the task of regulating their sensibilities and awareness and capacity to understand beyond any influence of the nature of people within this society. And we hope that until they come of age, their core values are somewhat maintained to reflect the values of their family. Not necessarily of their environment. But to a large degree this is not realistic. Schools have taken measures to accommodate, through their curriculum, a better, more positive perspective of the concept of homosexuality and same sex partners/marriages and that there is no difference in the quality of life of the child they might raise, which in itself might very well be true. But this is not the focus. Children are persuaded to think outside the box and that is it their exclusive choice to either date a boy or a girl of the same gender. And this is completely unacceptable to me. It's unacceptable because I honestly believe that only 10 or 20% of the entire gay community are gay by some biological disorder. That the balance of this those in this particular lifestyle have chosen to live this way because of environmental influences. I completely believe this. So it stands to reason that many heterosexual couples would take a issue to such direct influence by schools, to beneficially accommodate gay couples whose children attend any particular school.

What this clearly establishes, within the evolution of homosexuality, is the sudden encroachment of our liberty to somewhat successfully regulate the moral stability of our children, as might be prescribed by each family. When states begin to pass laws that directly accommodate homosexuals in schools, such as the elimination of Father's Day and Mother's Day; when troop leaders are allowed to "come-out" openly expressing their homosexuality to their organization and to their boy scouts as was the case, for instance in Boston, Illinois and Pennsylvania; when the Gay Parade at some point during it's trek towards Central Park becomes an open indiscriminate orgy, to the astonishment and disgust of parents riding the buses home with their preschoolers in plain view of these folks. And that's not just during the parade. Central Park has many areas where gay men meet to "really meet." I've seen this myself and no matter how discrete those situations are, people lose themselves at times in the heat of passion and boy there's a lot of it by the Boathouse in the West side in the park. Walk you're dog there sometimes. Just don't take the kids. Yikes.

I never thought I would ever soften on the issue of homosexuality as an established legal lifestyle. I have somewhat. Just don't tell my children is OKAY to be gay to such an extent that they might actually entertain the notion of having a sexual experience with the same sex at a very vulnerable age. This is nearly as bad as being molested, in my opinion. It is still unnatural and children, especially teenagers, who are coming into puberty can be very easily be persuaded into finding love anyway they can, most of which have absolutely no medical predisposition of genuine homosexuality.

We are not a society that want to raise homosexuals. That will never change. While we are sympathetic and hopefully respectful, there is only one formula that ensures our moral and literal self-preservation. The propagation of life. And what that means quite simply that marriage should never assume any other identity for the sake of legal equality. It's simply not necessary and in many cases, not even beneficial. We all have the right to love whomever. I honestly believe that. But we do not have the right to manipulate the children in this society into believing that there's anything natural about homosexuality. Love is natural. Love is a very powerful thing. And we have the right to be happy. All of us. But we also have a responsibility in making sure, under normal circumstances that our children are not influenced into a lifestyle for the sole purpose of pacifying a community still trying to make some point in their existence when they have already received a great deal of recognition. And in many ways, rightfully so, as I've demonstrated above.

Above all, we as citizens in this country have a right to express our opinion, as Ms. USA did, and in a very diplomatic fashion. She lost her job because of it. This is a complete disgrace and the Homosexual Agenda and it's staunch supporters will soon discover that this exposure of their perception of bigotry, only exposes them to a universal prejudice of anything by straight.

Anne Marie
You have free speech. Just as your employer has the right to fire your ass if they don't like that speech. Freedom of speech doesn't guarantee you the right to say whatever you want with no consequences, it guarantees the right of no government sponsored consequences.

Prejean has her beliefs, and her boss doesn't like them. She needs to take personal responsibility for her own actions.
As a matter of fact, your employer does NOT have the right to fire you for your political beliefs, nor does he have the right to fire you for expressing them politely when he asks you about them.

Ask yourself this: would you be so blase about "your employer has the right to fire your ass" if YOUR employer was a conservative who fired you for espousing liberal beliefs? Yeah, that's what I thought.
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Today marks a new beginning in the fight for free speech in this country. Here we have a young lady who was asked a question about Same Sex Marriages. She answered sincerely. Now she's fired. After several attempts to meet her commitment to appear for various functions, she was blackballed and advised that her only responsibility was to win and keep a smile on her face through all of it. Her attorneys advised pageant officials of the increasing evidence in their possession that indeed she was fired because of being politicaly incorrect. That along with emails and testimony from organizations who had engagements set for her appearances which were subsequently cancelled, but not by Ms. Prejean.

This is about the Massive Gay Agenda in this country which has become the New Millennium of Free Speech. But it's not win, but an incredible loss for Homosexuals in this country.

Nothing could be more obvious. This young lady now has a huge lawsuit against Pageant Officials because she kept a record of every engagement contact at the advise of her attorney. She will prove, with great backing, that she was PREVENTED from touring the country because of the Gay Community's fear that she will continue to assert her position regarding same sex marriages. I back her up completely!

These kind of threats to a person's career, job and occupation because of the Homosexual agenda will come to a halt after her attorneys are finished with them. But there's so much going on here, for a very long time which begs the question about the Ethical Boundaries of the Gay Agenda.

I think many of us agree that no human being should have their civil liberties compromised due to race, creed, color and, sexual preferences. In fact, I never really understood how the gay community became such a focus back then, given the fact that it was simply a difference of sexuality. Something I've always considered as quite personal. That is until I realized that operating from a back door, living in a closet is in itself a tremendous burden on their dignity and quality of life. Their preferred life. One that for centuries has been viewed as deviant and gross and misaligned in terms of following the moral majority of this country.

I suppose, in the scheme of things, I am still rather ignorant in attempting to understand how all of this became an issue, because it is very difficult to stereotype homosexuality. They come from all walks of life, all races, creeds, colors with one common denominator. Their sexuality. This thing that even today is still pretty much locked up behind closed doors as something very intimate and very much our own business. It's unlikely that anyone would ask about someones sexuality. Even if it came to pass that that person clearly has a same gender preference. The more sensible individual would most likely respect the "privacy" of that individual, regardless of any disclosure.

But the evolution of strife between the moral majority and homosexuals clearly indicates that something is wrong. Not with the diverse sense of sexuality, but with the open introduction of such a lifestyle where it suddenly became a political vehicle. As I recall, the first legal battle that came to play in the City was Right-of Survivorship for a New York City Apartment. This successful case was the first of it's kind. Two people living together for many years in the same apartment with only one named occupant should have the right to stay in that apartment should the occupant on record die. There are many logistics to this on both sides. New York City Landlords, because of rent control, fought the battle because they would still be locked into a rent controlled situation of that lease should there be a successful conveyance of named occupant. It was not a matter of homosexual prejudice. The landlords were just losing money in the long run, as you might expect. But because only one "single" occupant could sign a lease until the law was changed, (with the exception of students), as opposed to a married couple or an immediate family member under the same roof, it was believed that no right-of-survivorship could be asserted.

They were wrong. It was determined that to begin with, evidence of substantial contribution to the maintenance of that apartment would have to be established. Rent receipts, house insurance, household items, etc. The unnamed individual would have to clearly establish that he/she has played an equal role in their co-habitation at such a residence. In the twenty five cases that soon surfaced, almost all had established this criteria. There was no mention of homosexuality in this legislation, but certainly within all the pleadings, motions, briefs and testimony during this proceeding. The point being that there was no reason the second or third or fourth individual (having met this criteria) could not be later named on a lease who was not a spouse or immediate family member or legal dependant.

I completely agreed with this. And there is no ethical boundary under such legislation nor does it encroach on anyone's civil liberties. Not in the least.

Then came the issue of health insurance. Another successful proceeding which established the term "Life-Partner." This was also a first in history where it was argued that if someone spent a certain amount of time, under the same circumstances and criteria, as with right-of-survivorship, they should be able to provide health insurance to the other, as they are both equally dependant on each other's survival. This too was plausible, but suddenly the balance of equal rights became disproportioned because the legal definition of a "Life-partner" was successfully established to refer exclusively to gay partners. Not heterosexuals living together.

Thus the evolution of a bona fide legal union between two individuals of the same sex. On a legal standpoint, this was indeed prejudicial and outrageous and later changed to include and equally accommodate the heterosexual couple, but with a great deal of modification, as you might imagine. But the controversy took many turns once these two primary pieces of legislation came to fruition. Suddenly the gay community became empowered beyond any legal structure, and came out completely. But what came out is where the ethical boundaries comes to mind.

Naturally I would have to mention right of adoption of a baby and the subsequent concept of Same Sex Marriages. But weirder things have been passed historically in various states on the topic of marriage and who or "what" can we marry. It should have come as no surprise, perhaps. But the law can be greatly manipulated under the concept of liberty and pursuit of happiness, whatever that takes for someone to achieve in their survival, and more often that you would think the most bazaar of circumstances not only make it into court, but is argued successfully. Thus you have a man from Kentucky who is legally married to his goat because it's milk is his primary source of income. We've all heard about this type of thing. But I doubt society would take this case into account when attempting to reassert the primary core values of the moral majority. Homosexual marriages however, is something greatly significant in terms of introducing yet another legally viable lifestyle. There are problems with this, not only fundamentally or religiously.

It would stand to reason that our children will be subjected to the infinite environmental aspects of their respective lives without the benefit of any immediate parental supervision once they walk out the door. We as parents are left to the task of regulating their sensibilities and awareness and capacity to understand beyond any influence of the nature of people within this society. And we hope that until they come of age, their core values are somewhat maintained to reflect the values of their family. Not necessarily of their environment. But to a large degree this is not realistic. Schools have taken measures to accommodate, through their curriculum, a better, more positive perspective of the concept of homosexuality and same sex partners/marriages and that there is no difference in the quality of life of the child they might raise, which in itself might very well be true. But this is not the focus. Children are persuaded to think outside the box and that is it their exclusive choice to either date a boy or a girl of the same gender. And this is completely unacceptable to me. It's unacceptable because I honestly believe that only 10 or 20% of the entire gay community are gay by some biological disorder. That the balance of this those in this particular lifestyle have chosen to live this way because of environmental influences. I completely believe this. So it stands to reason that many heterosexual couples would take a issue to such direct influence by schools, to beneficially accommodate gay couples whose children attend any particular school.

What this clearly establishes, within the evolution of homosexuality, is the sudden encroachment of our liberty to somewhat successfully regulate the moral stability of our children, as might be prescribed by each family. When states begin to pass laws that directly accommodate homosexuals in schools, such as the elimination of Father's Day and Mother's Day; when troop leaders are allowed to "come-out" openly expressing their homosexuality to their organization and to their boy scouts as was the case, for instance in Boston, Illinois and Pennsylvania; when the Gay Parade at some point during it's trek towards Central Park becomes an open indiscriminate orgy, to the astonishment and disgust of parents riding the buses home with their preschoolers in plain view of these folks. And that's not just during the parade. Central Park has many areas where gay men meet to "really meet." I've seen this myself and no matter how discrete those situations are, people lose themselves at times in the heat of passion and boy there's a lot of it by the Boathouse in the West side in the park. Walk you're dog there sometimes. Just don't take the kids. Yikes.

I never thought I would ever soften on the issue of homosexuality as an established legal lifestyle. I have somewhat. Just don't tell my children is OKAY to be gay to such an extent that they might actually entertain the notion of having a sexual experience with the same sex at a very vulnerable age. This is nearly as bad as being molested, in my opinion. It is still unnatural and children, especially teenagers, who are coming into puberty can be very easily be persuaded into finding love anyway they can, most of which have absolutely no medical predisposition of genuine homosexuality.

We are not a society that want to raise homosexuals. That will never change. While we are sympathetic and hopefully respectful, there is only one formula that ensures our moral and literal self-preservation. The propagation of life. And what that means quite simply that marriage should never assume any other identity for the sake of legal equality. It's simply not necessary and in many cases, not even beneficial. We all have the right to love whomever. I honestly believe that. But we do not have the right to manipulate the children in this society into believing that there's anything natural about homosexuality. Love is natural. Love is a very powerful thing. And we have the right to be happy. All of us. But we also have a responsibility in making sure, under normal circumstances that our children are not influenced into a lifestyle for the sole purpose of pacifying a community still trying to make some point in their existence when they have already received a great deal of recognition. And in many ways, rightfully so, as I've demonstrated above.

Above all, we as citizens in this country have a right to express our opinion, as Ms. USA did, and in a very diplomatic fashion. She lost her job because of it. This is a complete disgrace and the Homosexual Agenda and it's staunch supporters will soon discover that this exposure of their perception of bigotry, only exposes them to a universal prejudice of anything by straight.

Anne Marie
You have free speech. Just as your employer has the right to fire your ass if they don't like that speech. Freedom of speech doesn't guarantee you the right to say whatever you want with no consequences, it guarantees the right of no government sponsored consequences.

Prejean has her beliefs, and her boss doesn't like them. She needs to take personal responsibility for her own actions.
As a matter of fact, your employer does NOT have the right to fire you for your political beliefs, nor does he have the right to fire you for expressing them politely when he asks you about them.

Ask yourself this: would you be so blase about "your employer has the right to fire your ass" if YOUR employer was a conservative who fired you for espousing liberal beliefs? Yeah, that's what I thought.

Depends on the state. At-will employment means that your employer can terminate you for any reason at any time.
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