The Truth about Mormons

Are you PUI again?

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no, you really haven't given a goddamn thing besides a reason to look down. Just because you fell for the charisma of David Koresh doesn't mean evidence to life's mysteries are found in his compound.

Koresh? No.

If you were to actually research something, you would see that Koresh had a mish mash of quite a few different theologies combined into his.

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God is my Sensei..........

I haven't had a chance yet to look over all the evidence you provided, but what I've seen has not yet been convincing. But that's not surprising, since I have a pretty high standard of evidence. I mean, if I am going to believe in something, I want to make sure I get the right one. And I haven't found anything to convince me of any supernatural belief.

However, I think it is a little over-the-top when someone from one religion heavily criticizes someone from another. If it makes you feel any better, I don't see the things you believe as being sillier than people who believe the stuff in the torah, the new testament, or the koran. To me, one has to have serious suspension of rational faculities to accept any of them as true. I understand the comfort factor that would allow otherwise intelligent reasonable people to look past the contradictions and logical pitfalls to accept something as true that in other circumstances they would barely consider for more than a second. But that's not me. I have thought at times that I wish I was that way. But some part of me refuses to compromise rational integrity just because it feels good or lends me comfort.

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"Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself. The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool."
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Ive never understood the point of cricitizing others for what they believe.

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“The living of one protective principle of the gospel is better than a thousand compensatory government programs—which programs are, so often, like ‘straightening the deck chairs on the Titanic.’ ” Neal A Maxwell

“The Lord works from the inside out. The world works from the outside in. The world would take people out of the slums. Christ takes the slums out of people, and then they take themselves out of the slums. The world would mold men by changing their environment. Christ changes men, who then change their environment. The world would shape human behavior, but Christ can change human nature." -ETB

Well Show-gun, it seems all you can do is cry "bias" without pointing out a single flaw in the works of Dr. Nibley, Sorenson or any other LDS archaeologist.....Oh and we as a society are supposed to just accept the slight majority of archaeologists who favor your views? As if it's some sort of dogma?
Science keeps learning new things every day if you haven't studied your history of discovery. Science has now PROVEN the likelihood of transoceanic pre Columbian travel. Heresy in the scientific world just 10 years ago. Now HUGE numbers of them believe that the Asian Land Bridge Theory is only 1 possibility and not the only possibility. Go look at National Geographic's magazine The Maya(a decidedly non-mormon if not anti-mormon source). The archaeologists are stubbornly scratching their heads as to how the Maya just suddenly appeared in a previously uninhabited sector of Meso America. They give the start of the civilization around 500 BC which began just after the Olmec decline and destruciton. Sounds exactly like the timeline of the Nephites who started up right about when the Jaredites were declining and eventually destroyed. No evidence whatsoever. check the magazine and cross reference it with the dates and times claimed in the Book of Mormon and they seem to fit like a glove.

Like I said before, You can interpret it however you wanna, but to say there is no evidence is Mormophobic and baseless. Since you're so smart, why don't you tell me what problems you have with our data before you go screaming bias like the judgmental lefty you are.

by the way it's the August 08 edition

Try again.

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"Telling the truth can be dangerous business. Honest and popular don't go hand in hand."-Ishtar.

You and one of my very best friends are similar. I can have an intelligent discussion with someone like you. I really mean this as NO disrespect whatsoever; but I want to ask what reservations you have regarding some of the evidences I presented. If we can talk about 1 issue at a time then we can get somewhere. I think you will find my reasoning quite rational if I am allowed to explain archaeological and historical context for the claims I make. Can you pick a subject for us to discuss?

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"Telling the truth can be dangerous business. Honest and popular don't go hand in hand."-Ishtar.

Your founder did.......That's why he and his followers got run out of every state heading West from New York.

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Regards, Eightballsidepocket

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PROVEN the likelihood !!!!

Boy oh boy!!! is that is that a reach!!

PROVEN by a maybe

Like I said before: All the so called evidence the Mormon's claim for their fable, is always followed by; maybe, could be, leads to the conclusion, possible, plausible, might be, etc.

I swear Sun, you oughta do some research yourself before squawking. You fell right into my trap. Read the non-Mormon sources and weep:

POSSIBLE PRE-COLUMBIAN TRANS-ATLANTIC VOYAGES TO MESOAMERICA: A SEARCH OF SOME NEW DATA FOR AN OLD CONTROVERSY

Michael D. Coe(The world's foremost Meso-American scholar) in his 6th edition of The Maya:"Boats must have been available to the people of Eurasia... "The Siberian Land Bridge Only" theory is no longer acceptable."

Pre-Columbian transatlantic contacts. Who is Pre-Columbian transatlantic contacts? What is Pre-Columbian transatlantic contacts? Where is Pre-Columbian transatlantic contacts? Definition of Pre-Columbian transatlantic contacts. Meaning of Pre-Columbi

Sorry, John L. Sorenson is one Mormon source among the 12 cited. I guess they think he's pretty smart since they listed him first.

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"Telling the truth can be dangerous business. Honest and popular don't go hand in hand."-Ishtar.

Why should I waste my time reading something that starts out with the word "Possible" ???

It's like watching those TV shows about UFO's

A lot of maybe, could be, quite possibe, leads one to believe,

But as far as solid evidence......................ZERO

Solid evidence has been cited multiple times. Its been ignored multiple times.

I understand you guys arent convinced by the evidence. but seriously, you look freaking insane when you keep denying the evidence exists.

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“The living of one protective principle of the gospel is better than a thousand compensatory government programs—which programs are, so often, like ‘straightening the deck chairs on the Titanic.’ ” Neal A Maxwell

“The Lord works from the inside out. The world works from the outside in. The world would take people out of the slums. Christ takes the slums out of people, and then they take themselves out of the slums. The world would mold men by changing their environment. Christ changes men, who then change their environment. The world would shape human behavior, but Christ can change human nature." -ETB

Here is a sentence right out of the article:

"The possible relation of some of the mentioned representations with Pre-Columbian Trans-Atlantic contacts have been discussed by some art historians, physical anthropologists, and archaeologists in the past, but the limited examples and the interpretative difficulties have not permitted definitive conclusions to be drafted. We hope that the corpus with the recovered data will permit more objective and better founded evaluation of their implications in the discussion of the Pre-Columbian Trans-Atlantic contacts.


Wow!! I have Never read such a bunch of double speak non sense in all of my life!!!

And you call this "Solid Evidence"!!!

All the article really says is " we don't know, and don't have any evidence, but we possibly think, there might be evidence, maybe"

What has been proven is that nothing has been proven. Your argument is destroyed that says The Land Bridge is the only way. It is now inconclusive. That's all I was trying to prove. The possibility and that it's open for discussion and not a closed matter. Don't you get it. The Scientists don't agree. That means something.

You obviously ignored Michael Coe's bold statement that boats must have been available to the people of Eurasia and the it is time to consider transoceanic maritime voyages Pre-Columbus.

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"Telling the truth can be dangerous business. Honest and popular don't go hand in hand."-Ishtar.

Like I said.. there is a reason you HAVE to run to biased mormon opinions to support your theory... We all know why that is the case. When you want to step up to the plate of actual evidence let me know.