The Truth about Mormons

If you really believe in God and pray to him believing you will receive an answer he will show you which way to go.

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"Telling the truth can be dangerous business. Honest and popular don't go hand in hand."-Ishtar.

Well I guess I have answered all questions and await any more for people who would really like to know what we believe and I will give actual sources from our official cannon of scripture and literature. I honestly would join you guys in a buddism thread and I would ask genuine questions to gain knowledge of your religion and not try to tear it down. Let's keep on topic if we can please. Good night.

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"Telling the truth can be dangerous business. Honest and popular don't go hand in hand."-Ishtar.

This thread is rapidly degenerating into yet another cat fight (pardon the pun) over "gay rights" disguised as a religious discussion.

Perhaps a new thread is in order?

Final Question: If you are excommunicated, what happens when you die? Apparently you don't rate a second chance since you obviously heard and understood the gospels. Does being cast out of the church mean that you are denied entry to one of the three kingdoms that you explained waaaaaaaay back in the day?

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Conspiracy Theory or Factual Fears?

I'm Phil -- 40 something heterosexual white male, fairly self sufficient, great with my kids, wed 26 years to the same woman, and I firmly believe that ones actions have logical consequences. How much more out the box can you get nowadays? -- MSgt of Marines (ret)

New Hampshire tells the Fed to Back Off.

You want a real economic stimulus package?

Isn't it time to challenge Congress to actually work within the Constitution?

Thanks for being voice of reason and staying on topic. I haven't had too many good questions to answer lately because once I answered all the anti mormons questions and fended off all their attacks, they result to neener neeners and liar liar pants on fire. I only respond because I can't let them take over the thread and change subjects every second.
Just because someone is excommunicated doesn't mean that final judgment has been passed. Each of the three witnesses were ex communicated as well, but found their way back to church, well, two of them. None denied their witness of the Book of Mormon. To answer your question, I don't know what their state will exactly be, since I don't know every person's circumstances, but it takes a whole heck of a lot of work to get ex ed. I don't think a lot of those people will be around for the millenium.
A little firsthand experience is my Grandparents. They were both excommunicated for cheating on eachother while they had nine kids already. Wow, I know, weird for anyone especially a mormon. But excommunication for them was more of a wakeup call and took it as a step in their repentance process rather than leave the church and never come back. They had all their privileges stripped away including priesthood and temple recommends. They repented and eventually were restored to their status. It took a long time, but they did it.

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"Telling the truth can be dangerous business. Honest and popular don't go hand in hand."-Ishtar.

I know the difference. You are full of yourself.

I've offered several possible topics to discuss to find common ground and you haven't responded to a single one.

Why? My guess is that you know you can't convert me, so you have no interest in discussing theology or religion of any kind unless you can proselytize LDS.

Last I checked this thread was ABOUT talking about the LDS. Perhaps you should learn to read thread titles and read opening statements? You want another discussion, invite him to a thread YOU make about that topic.

Although from what I have read your more into attacking the church then getting answers to any question.

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The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd. Indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.
-Bertrand Russell

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable
-Laurence J. Peters

I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.
-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)

Personally Sky Dancer, I think this dirtbag has taken the door-to-door evangelizing and has moved it on to here.

It sounds like he's evangelizing for the 21st century. I for one am a hell of a lot stronger minded than to be sucked in by this cult religion.

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Everyone has a right to their own opinion? Bullshit, everyone has a right to their own INFORMED opinion. - Harlan Ellison

You can measure the patriotism of a citizen, not by how much they shout in support of their country, but rather by how much they KNOW about their country.
God is my Sensei..........

I have suggested several topics relevant to LDS and anyone else who practices a spiritual path.

Teachings on pride, the role of ritual, why are some things secret and the general topic secrecy, prayer and meditation etc.

Are you saying this thread is ONLY for LDS or LDS wannabees? Why not make the thread inclusive so that everyone will feel comfortable asking questions and sharing.

The truth is that many people are interested in LDS and ARE NOT INTERESTED IN CONVERTING.

Some of us like discussing spiritual and religious topics of interest to all.

I have previously discussed some topics with LDS members and completely enjoyed it. I can't seem to get the OP fellow to have an actual discussion. He's got his own agenda.

Once again YOU want to discuss those other things? Start a thread on them and ask him to participate. Complaining that he tried to keep this thread on topic is hilarious. And as you can see from others response just leads to ignorant hate filled posts like the one Biker just posted.

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The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd. Indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.
-Bertrand Russell

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable
-Laurence J. Peters

I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.
-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)

I have asked about what does LDS teach about pride. Mr Answer has not responded to this topic.

I have asked about the reason for secrecy. Again no response.

I have asked 'truthspeaker' whether he has an interest i finding common ground with others who are not Mormon rather than just proselytizing. Fair question IMO.

I have stated I wanted to discuss prayer and meditation. Do LDS members meditate? I know they pray. I want to find common ground.

Is that a personal problem for you--Sarge?

I'm not going anywhere. This is a public forum. If Truthspeaker wants to start his own blog for potential converts, he is free to do so.

Take responsibility for your own irritation. If my posts bother you, put me on ignore.

Prayer and meditation are one and the same. No, Mormons to my knowledge do not meditate like some Eastern religion might use the word, but in normal useage prayer and meditate mean the same thing.

As for secrecy he does not appear to be a high member of the leadership of the church so what secrets do you think he knows that he has not provided?

The Church teaches from the same Bible, it just adds a second record of Jesus and God. One associated with the North American Continent. Pride is the same for the Church as any Christian church.

That you think Mormons are somehow more "prideful" then others is interesting and belays a certain mind set. That you think Prayer and meditation are some how separate things further defines a certain mind set.

Members of the Church are asked to pray and ask for God's guidance on certain things, if that is not meditation, I do not know what it is.

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The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd. Indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.
-Bertrand Russell

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable
-Laurence J. Peters

I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.
-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)

Sarge--

You're kind of hostile. I never said Mormons were more prideful than others. Usually, I have found them to be open to others--not in the case of 'truthspeaker'.

I asked TS to tell me about how LDS teaches on pride. Pride is very difficult to work with.

Prayer and meditation are different things for me because I am a Buddhist. Is this thread not open to Buddhists with questions?

The Mormon Church is secretive. Non-Mormons are not allowed in. There is some secrecy in Vajrayana Buddhism and I know the reasons for it. What is the reason in LDS?

Hostile? Did I not answer your questions? As for secrecy there is none that is important. One does not know about things that happen in temple exactly unless they have met the requirements to go there. Just as a Roman Catholic does not know all the things that go in inside each Dioces or the Vatican.

Those are things earned.

There are not "secrets" Mormons keep from non Mormons. not in the sense you seem to mean. It would defeat the entire concept of our Christian duty if we kept such secrets.

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The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd. Indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.
-Bertrand Russell

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable
-Laurence J. Peters

I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.
-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)