The Truth about Mormons

**KittenKoder** · #**451** (**permalink**) 12-05-2008, 04:36 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by sky dancer

I'm sure you do. You post on this forum with a proselytizing agenda.

And yet he will not realize that this is what makes him lose all credibility.

#**452** (**permalink**) 12-05-2008, 04:38 PM

The Mormon Church owns a for-profit corporate empire worth at least $11 billion. One of the church’s highest-profile companies is a broadcast network that includes mainstream radio stations in eight markets, including Los Angeles, Chicago, Washington D.C., Seattle, Phoenix, St. Louis, Cincinnati and Salt Lake City. The church also owns the NBC television affiliate in Salt Lake City, KSL, Channel 5.
In its campaign against gay marriage, the Mormon Church, through its members, donated up to 70 percent of the funding for California’s Proposition 8, which passed last Tuesday by 52 percent to 48 percent.

The top beef ranch in the world is not the King Ranch in Texas. It is the Deseret Cattle & Citrus Ranch outside Orlando, Fla. It covers 312,000 acres; its value as real estate alone is estimated at $858 million. It is owned entirely by the Mormons. The largest producer of nuts in America, AgReserves, Inc., in Salt Lake City, is Mormon-owned. So are the Bonneville International Corp., the country’s 14th largest radio chain, and the Beneficial Life Insurance Co., with assets of $1.6 billion…

All told, TIME estimates that the Latter-day Saints farmland and financial investments total some $11 billion, and that the church’s nontithe income from its investments exceeds $600 million.

Pensito Review » Mormon Church Owns Mainstream Radio Stations in 8 Top Markets

In Seattle, the Mormon Church owns the right wing talk radio station, which it has branded “The Truth.” That just about says it all, doesn’t it?

#**453** (**permalink**) 12-05-2008, 04:39 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by KittenKoder

And yet he will not realize that this is what makes him lose all credibility.

I agree. Proselytizing makes him lose credibility as well as his continuous insults of other posters and his refusal to address any of the questions we have raised.

**KittenKoder** · #**454** (**permalink**) 12-05-2008, 04:46 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by sky dancer

The Mormon Church owns a for-profit corporate empire worth at least $11 billion. One of the church’s highest-profile companies is a broadcast network that includes mainstream radio stations in eight markets, including Los Angeles, Chicago, Washington D.C., Seattle, Phoenix, St. Louis, Cincinnati and Salt Lake City. The church also owns the NBC television affiliate in Salt Lake City, KSL, Channel 5.
In its campaign against gay marriage, the Mormon Church, through its members, donated up to 70 percent of the funding for California’s Proposition 8, which passed last Tuesday by 52 percent to 48 percent.

The top beef ranch in the world is not the King Ranch in Texas. It is the Deseret Cattle & Citrus Ranch outside Orlando, Fla. It covers 312,000 acres; its value as real estate alone is estimated at $858 million. It is owned entirely by the Mormons. The largest producer of nuts in America, AgReserves, Inc., in Salt Lake City, is Mormon-owned. So are the Bonneville International Corp., the country’s 14th largest radio chain, and the Beneficial Life Insurance Co., with assets of $1.6 billion…

All told, TIME estimates that the Latter-day Saints farmland and financial investments total some $11 billion, and that the church’s nontithe income from its investments exceeds $600 million.

Pensito Review » Mormon Church Owns Mainstream Radio Stations in 8 Top Markets

In Seattle, the Mormon Church owns the right wing talk radio station, which it has branded “The Truth.” That just about says it all, doesn’t it?

A little side note related to this particular post:

The LDS church owns Burger King.

Truthspeaker · #**455** (**permalink**) 12-05-2008, 04:50 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by sky dancer

Both U.S. Senators, all three U.S. House representatives, and the Governor are Mormon. Somewhere near 80% of the elected officials in Utah are Mormon. Moreover, in the recent election, there were only five counties in Utah that gave Bush 60% or less of the vote, all of which were one of the only six counties in the state to have LDS populations less than 55%. Similarly, of the seven Utah counties with an LDS population of 75% and up, Bush won by more than 85% in six of them. The state functions within the parameters laid out by the LDS leadership and any deviation from LDS norms is harshly criticized by the huge number of active church members. When 62.4% of the population have the same general opinion on an issue and claim to know that it is God’s will, the opposition can either go with the flow, which many do, or keep a low profile and bow out of politics altogether.
CampusProgress.org | Leaving Utah

I don't know what is so wrong with that. That's politics. Try debating politics with people in Iraq, or San Francisco and having an opinion that disagrees with the norm. Same thing.By the way

pegwinn · #**456** (**permalink**) 12-05-2008, 04:51 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Truthspeaker

<snip> Number one reason why, is because of obedience, nothing else really matters after that but we can all see the negative effects of these substances on our bodies.

Obediance to whom? God, the current President, a specific commandment? Please elaborate.

Quote: Originally Posted by Truthspeaker

We believe the body to be sacred and so anything that makes us lose control of or sustain damage to our bodies is against the will of God. The same goes for poor diet. A lot of people are not living the word of wisdom just because they abstain from those substances. There is an entire code of health that is involved with the revelation found in Doctrine and Covenants Section 88. It is a very interesting chapter.

Interesting. Does this mean that the obese (due to lifestyle as opposed to medical reasons) are in violation of doctrine?

**KittenKoder** · #**457** (**permalink**) 12-05-2008, 04:57 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by pegwinn

Obediance to whom? God, the current President, a specific commandment? Please elaborate.

Interesting. Does this mean that the obese (due to lifestyle as opposed to medical reasons) are in violation of doctrine?

Thus one of the many hypocracies that made me leave the church.

As a matter of fact the answer is yes. The prophets of the church do not agree with this but most of the followers now do not discern the difference between what is needed or uncontrollable and what is truly a sin.

Truthspeaker · #**458** (**permalink**) 12-05-2008, 04:59 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Truthmatters

Please dont read into my questions to you.

I never said they dont teach about it.

I asked you what they teach the average Morman about this history.
I have run into many who know nothing about the history.

Mountain Meadows massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Investigations and prosecutions
Main article: Investigations and prosecutions relating to the Mountain Meadows massacre
Historians still question the role that local Cedar City Mormon church officials played in ordering the massacre and Young's concealment of evidence in its aftermath.[37]Young's use of inflammatory and violent language[38] in response to the Federal expedition added to the tense atmosphere at the time of the attack. After the massacre, Young stated in public forums that God had taken vengeance on the Fancher party. [39] It is unclear whether Young held this view because he believed that this specific group posed an actual threat to colonists or because he believed that the group was directly responsible for past crimes against Mormons. According to historian MacKinnon, "After the [Utah] war, U.S. President James Buchanan implied that face-to-face communications with Brigham Young might have averted the conflict, and Young argued that a north-south telegraph line in Utah could have prevented the Mountain Meadows Massacre."[40] MacKinnon suggests that hostilities could have been avoided if Young had traveled east to Washington D.C. to resolve governmental problems instead of taking a five week trip north on the eve of the Utah War for church related reasons.[41]

The article I posted is what I believe happened. Anything past this information is a he said she said.

#**459** (**permalink**) 12-05-2008, 05:00 PM

A survey of ex-Mormons by Mister Poll asked participants to "Please indicate up to 7 main reasons why you finally decided to leave the church." The most common results, sorted by percentages, were:

General disbelief of Joseph Smith as a chosen prophet (6%)
General disbelief of the Book of Mormon (5%)
Emphasis on blind faith / Obedience to church leaders (5%)
Found more peace outside the religion (4%)
General mindset of the fanatics of the LDS religion (4%)
LDS/religious logical fallacies/manipulations (3%)
Cult-like temple ceremonies (3%)
Book of Abraham (3%)
Character of Joseph Smith (3%)
Desire to uphold personal ethics (3%)
LDS stand vs. intellectuals (2%)
Brigham Young's teachings (i.e. blood atonement, race, etc) (2%)
Polygamy (2%)
LDS vs. feminist views (2%)
Book of Mormon archaeology (2%)
LDS stand on gay issues (2%)
Fatigue/ depression (2%)
Racial issues (2%)
Unanswered prayers about LDS "truth" (2%)
General dissatisfaction with apologetic (church scholars) answers (2%). 1
Reasons Ex-Mormons give for leaving the LDS Church

Truthspeaker · #**460** (**permalink**) 12-05-2008, 05:01 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by KittenKoder

A great Mormon Prophet once said: Always question authority.

Let's see if anyone can find that one.

but true. Just about all of us have been told to question authority by all of our prophets.Your point?

Truthspeaker · #**461** (**permalink**) 12-05-2008, 05:02 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by KittenKoder

ALL religions are, even my own. What the, the post I was responding to vanished.

I don't think you have a religion. If so, what would that be?

**KittenKoder** · #**462** (**permalink**) 12-05-2008, 05:03 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Truthspeaker

The article I posted is what I believe happened. Anything past this information is a he said she said.

The article you posted is "he said she said" as well, only those who are not directly involved in an incident and have no stake in one side or the other can give a truly accurate accounting. I would trust the police on a matter long before anyone else.

#**463** (**permalink**) 12-05-2008, 05:03 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by KittenKoder

A little side note related to this particular post:

The LDS church owns Burger King.

Well, that's one business it won't be hard for me to boycott.

ABikerSailor · #**464** (**permalink**) 12-05-2008, 05:04 PM

Yours are wrong.

Truthspeaker · #**465** (**permalink**) 12-05-2008, 05:05 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by sky dancer

I'm sure you do. You post on this forum with a proselytizing agenda.

If people decide to join our church because of the information I give them, that is great, but not the point of my thread. They don't have to believe what i am saying.