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10-04-2008, 05:09 AM
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Rep Power: 0 | | | Scientific Miracles In Quran Scientific Miracles In Quran The Big bang and Expansion of the Universe
If anyone were to search in a library or on the internet about the recent scientific findings as to the origin and development of the Universe, they will definitely come across the big bang theory and the expansion of the universe. We know that these are correct because the Qur’an told us 1400 years ago that-
"Haven't the disbelievers considered that the Heavens and the Earth were a joined entity and We separated them…”(Qur'an 21:30)
"And the Heaven we created with great strength and indeed We are its expander.”(51:47) The Atmosphere/Ozone Layer
Science has recently uncovered that there is a protective barrier between the Earth and the immediate sky. This protects us from burning and deadly uv-rays, it protects us from small meteors, it protects our gases including oxygen which we need to breath etc… This reality was not even discussed by the scientists and philosophers in the time of the Prophet Muhammad. The Qur’an said it as clear as a scientist would today-
“And we made the sky a protective ceiling…” (21:32) Orbit of the Sun, Moon, and all other Celestial bodies
In the time the Qur’an was revealed there were hundreds of ideas and theories as to the reality of the Sun and the Moon. It was recently discovered that the moon is in an orbit and the earth and that the earth is in orbit around the sun. The latest advancement is that the sun orbits our galaxy which also has its own orbit. God cleared this issue in the Qur’an centuries before modern science and technology-
“…the sun and the moon; all heavenly bodies are swimming in an orbit (circular motion).”(21:33) The Lowest Point on Earth
If you look up “the lowest point on the earth” in any geography book or on the internet you will find from all sources a unanimous decision of the land surrounding the Dead Sea. All of the early commentators of the Qur’anic exegesis said that this battle took place after the Persians invaded deep into Byzantine Sham (modern day Syria, Jordan, Palestine) and these commentators as well as non-Muslim historians specified that the battle took place in a land called Azriyat which was close to the northern tip of the Dead Sea. It is interesting to see that the commentators (of centuries ago) argued and disagreed as to why God used the word “the lowest” to refer to this place. Now science has informed us what God meant-
"The Byzantines have been defeated in the lowest of the Earth (Adnal-Ard)…”(30:2-3) The Uniqueness of the Fingerprint
God Almighty tells us in the Qur’an that when resurrecting everyone from their graves that He can put man back together as he was years ago before dying. He then emphasizes by making a point out of even perfectly proportioning the finger tips. In the modern world it is well-known especially in the science of human identification that the finger print is the one unique factor in differentiating between people. So therefore to say we can put them back together is one thing, but sown to the very fingerprint is a claim to perfection which only God can make. It was written 1400 years ago-
“Does man think that We will not assemble his bones? Yes. We are able to proportion him to his fingertips.”(75:3-4) Iron as a Metalic Element Sent Down From Above
"...And We sent down iron in which there lies a great force and which has many uses for mankind..."(57:25)
The word “anzalna,” translated as "sent down" and used for iron in the verse, could be thought of having a metaphorical meaning to explain that iron has been given to benefit people. But, when we take into consideration the literal meaning of the word, which is, "being physically sent down from the sky, as this word usage had not been employed in the Quran except literally, like the descending of the rain or revelation, we realize that this verse implies a very significant scientific miracle. Because, modern astronomical findings have disclosed that the iron found in our world has come from giant stars in outer space.
One scientific source provides the following information on this subject:
"There is also evidence for older supernova events: Enhanced levels of iron-60 in deep-sea sediments have been interpreted as indications that a supernova explosion occurred within 90 light-years of the sun about 5 million years ago. Iron-60 is a radioactive isotope of iron, formed in supernova explosions, which decays with a half life of 1.5 million years. An enhanced presence of this isotope in a geologic layer indicates the recent nucleosynthesis of elements nearby in space and their subsequent transport to the earth (perhaps as part of dust grains).”
All this shows that iron did not form on the Earth, but was carried from Supernovas, and was "sent down," as stated in the verse. It is clear that this fact could not have been known in the 7th century, when the Quran was revealed. Nevertheless, this fact is related in the Quran, the Word of God, Who encompasses all things in His infinite knowledge. |
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10-04-2008, 05:31 AM
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Rep Power: 160 | | | That's interesting, but then the Islamic philosophers (or maybe they were mental scientists) were a very interesting bunch.
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Rep Power: 12 | | | Well, the reason for that is that the Muslims (Ishmael and his mother), took their stuff from the Jews.
Incidentally, all of that same stuff is in the Torah, and that has been around longer than just 1500 years. It's been around for over 3,500.
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Originally Posted by ABikerSailor Well, the reason for that is that the Muslims (Ishmael and his mother), took their stuff from the Jews.
Incidentally, all of that same stuff is in the Torah, and that has been around longer than just 1500 years. It's been around for over 3,500. | Please provide evidence of your statement. Thanks | 
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Originally Posted by ABikerSailor Well, the reason for that is that the Muslims (Ishmael and his mother), took their stuff from the Jews.
Incidentally, all of that same stuff is in the Torah, and that has been around longer than just 1500 years. It's been around for over 3,500. | I'm not arguing but when did Ishmael separate himself from the Jews? I'm asking, I don't know.
As I understand it Mohammad was visited by, I think it was the Archangel Gabriel (not sure) and either instructed to read the Qu'ran or had the Qu'ran given to him and he was told to memorise it. Now, this was what, 7th or 8th Century CE? I need to be corrected, I'm going from memory. In the intervening time where were the descendants of Ishmael?
All I know is that in mediaeval Europe both Islamic and Jewish scholars protected or rediscovered the knowledge of the ancients (the Egyptians, the Greeks, forget the Romans, great doers, crap thinkers) like Aristotle. Without Aristotle, I think, we wouldn't have science (well not as we know it right now).
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Originally Posted by BONA FIDE All this shows that iron did not form on the Earth, but was carried from Supernovas, and was "sent down," as stated in the verse. It is clear that this fact could not have been known in the 7th century, when the Quran was revealed. Nevertheless, this fact is related in the Quran, the Word of God, Who encompasses all things in His infinite knowledge. | They're called meteors. It's believed that the Black Stone at the Kaaba is the remains of one. Very few elements, except lead, is believed to have actually formed on Earth. They were formed in a star that preceeded the sun and coalesced here.
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Originally Posted by Sunni Man Please provide evidence of your statement. Thanks | Quote:
Ishmael (Hebrew: יִשְׁמָעֵאל, Standard Yišmaʿel Tiberian Yišmāʿêl; Arabic: إسماعيل, 'Ismāʿīl) is a figure in the Torah, Bible, and Qur'an. Jewish, Christian and Muslim believers regard Ishmael as Abraham's eldest son, born of his wife Sarah's hand maiden Hagar(Genesis 16:3). Though born of Hagar, according to Mesopotamian law, Ishmael was credited as Sarah's son (Genesis 16:2)[1] According to the Genesis account, he died at the age of 137 (Genesis 25:17).[2]
Both Jewish and Islamic traditions consider Ishmael as the ancestor of Northern Arab people.[1]
Judaism has generally viewed Ishmael as wicked though repentant.[1] Judaism maintains that Isaac (the father of the Jewish people) rather than Ishmael was the true heir of Abraham.[3] The New Testament contains few references to Ishmael. In Christian biblical interpretation, Ishmael is used to symbolize the older—now rejected—Judaic tradition; Isaac symbolizes the new tradition of Christianity.[1] Islamic tradition, however, has a very positive view of Ishmael, giving him a larger and more significant role. The Qur'an views him as a prophet, and as the actual son that Abraham was called on to sacrifice, as opposed to Isaac.[1][4]
| Ishmael was the son of Abraham and his servant girl. The Q'aran was revealed to Mohammed by an angel because he was descended from Abraham.
Most of the Muslim religion is based on what the Jews understood.
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Originally Posted by ABikerSailor Ishmael was the son of Abraham and his servant girl. The Q'aran was revealed to Mohammed by an angel because he was descended from Abraham.
Most of the Muslim religion is based on what the Jews understood. | The OP listed several scientific facts that are known today, That were mentioned in the Quran 1400 years ago.
You intimated that these were also in the the Torah and were copied and inserted into the Quran.
I asked for evidence, and you gave me a short history of Islam and the Jews.
That's not what I aked for.
Please show me where in the Torah, Talmud, Tanack, or any other Jewish work that lists these same scientific facts.
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Originally Posted by Sunni Man The OP listed several scientific facts that are known today, That were mentioned in the Quran 1400 years ago.
You intimated that these were also in the the Torah and were copied and inserted into the Quran.
I asked for evidence, and you gave me a short history of Islam and the Jews.
That's not what I aked for.
Please show me where in the Torah, Talmud, Tanack, or any other Jewish work that lists these same scientific facts. | I am sure that I have said this from the beginning.
There is a force here that does not want us to know the truth, so what they did is create many religions and rewrote the words many ways. Additions and took out information.
This is why we have so many religions and not one of them has the entirety and that is why they all seem similar.
Look at the Quaran, Torah and the Christian Bible, The all say almost the same things but have few differences but they all say they are right.
This gave that force power over the planet and used it in ways to keep control and lead us down a path of destruction.
Find the center of religion. Find the distribution. Follow the ones that lead the world, see the propaganda.
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Originally Posted by Diuretic That's interesting, but then the Islamic philosophers (or maybe they were mental scientists) were a very interesting bunch. | Hey you can suck up to SunniMan all you want. But if you don't convert, he's gonna' cut yer head off you know.
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Originally Posted by Sunni Man The OP listed several scientific facts that are known today, That were mentioned in the Quran 1400 years ago.
You intimated that these were also in the the Torah and were copied and inserted into the Quran.
I asked for evidence, and you gave me a short history of Islam and the Jews.
That's not what I aked for.
Please show me where in the Torah, Talmud, Tanack, or any other Jewish work that lists these same scientific facts. | Actually, they're in the Torah. If you were to understand a bit about the history, you would know that Ishmael was the son of Abraham (the father of the Jews), and a slave woman. The slave woman was kicked out of the tribe with her son, who was also one of the forefathers of Mohammed. Mohammed was the one that started the Muslim religion.
Where are the same things in the Torah? Do some research. Start off by going to the Universal Torah Network and looking up the lessons of what they teach about the B'Neh Noach.
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Originally Posted by BONA FIDE "Haven't the disbelievers considered that the Heavens and the Earth were a joined entity and We separated them…”(Qur'an 21:30)
"And the Heaven we created with great strength and indeed We are its expander.”(51:47) | Would need to see the context on this one. Quote:
Originally Posted by BONA FIDE “And we made the sky a protective ceiling…” (21:32) | They could see that from the meteors falling. No knowledge beyond that necessary. Quote:
Originally Posted by BONA FIDE “…the sun and the moon; all heavenly bodies are swimming in an orbit (circular motion).”(21:33) | Sounds more like the old Earth centered configuration to me. That was debunked. Quote:
Originally Posted by BONA FIDE "The Byzantines have been defeated in the lowest of the Earth (Adnal-Ard)…”(30:2-3) | Have to see the context. Could be a matter of translation. Quote:
Originally Posted by BONA FIDE “Does man think that We will not assemble his bones? Yes. We are able to proportion him to his fingertips.”(75:3-4) | Fingerprints? How do you get that from the quote. Bones don't have fingerprints. And it's more the faces of the fingers that have the prints, not the tips. Quote:
Originally Posted by BONA FIDE "...And We sent down iron in which there lies a great force and which has many uses for mankind..."(57:25) | Nothing remarkable here. Meteors fall from the sky and have iron. They would learn this. Iron began to be used around 1200 B. C. Long before the Koran was written.
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Originally Posted by ABikerSailor Well, the reason for that is that the Muslims (Ishmael and his mother), took their stuff from the Jews.
Incidentally, all of that same stuff is in the Torah, and that has been around longer than just 1500 years. It's been around for over 3,500. | you know, in Islam Muslims believe that the Torah and Bible are part of the revelations? They believe that Allah sent prophet Moses to bring the Torah and then Allah sent Jesus to bring the bible and then Allah sent prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to bring the Quran (last part of revelation).
So there is a lot of things in the Quran that you'll find in the Torah and Bible. | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
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