We the People...do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States...

"We the People...do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States..."

Of course every intelligent, decent person knows that this phrase very clearly means that the U.S. Government was actually ordained by GOD and meant to do his will.

Unlike the European Monarchs of the time, who only believed that they were ordained by God, the U.S. Constitution and government really were ordained by God. A Christian God of course. Jesus Himself.

As a matter of fact everything the Governement does , especially the 'war' type stuff, is obviously divinely inspired, except for the stuff the liberals do, which is obviously the devil himself trying to ruin this country.

It's so clear and obvious...

"We the People...do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States..."

What else could it mean?

Of course the phrase:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion",

obviously means that Congress must make laws exempting acceptable (i.e. Christian) religious institutions from taxation and don't forget that it clearly requires that Congress make laws that edits a privately owned, copyrighted work to insert the words "under God" and make every child in the country recite it every day so that they can be held accountable in court for it the rest of their lives.

Wonderful to live in such a free and constitutional country.

You're kidding, right?

As a matter of fact everything the Governement does , especially the 'war' type stuff, is obviously divinely inspired, except for the stuff the liberals do, which is obviously the devil himself trying to ruin this country.

It's so clear and obvious...

there's marks on you from the yoke of oppression. oh, the humanity!
get a grip.

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"Nothing is more unreliable than the populace, nothing more obscure than human intentions, nothing more deceptive than the whole electoral system."- Marcus Tullius Cicero

You're either A) illiterate or B) setting up a strawman.

If the opening clause is, "we the people" you cannot infer God "ordained".

You seem bent about religion in some aspect hence your truncated citation of the religion clause of the 1st amendment.

The US constitution was informed by the Founder's religions but it was never seen as an actuation of them and what occurred on the state level is quite seperate from the national level. I refer you to the Massachusetts constitution and its setting aside public funds to pay ministers and raise-up churches to instrucct the people of the commonwealth; since repealed but acceptable within the Framer's view.

So as far as war is concerned your intelligent and decent person would know that such matters can be informed by religion (is this a "just" war) but it is not an expression of religion (a "holy" war).

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I support homosexuality because it keeps liberals from breeding.

I support abortion because it keeps liberals from having children.

I support public education because it keeps liberal children pliable, unthinking and easily lead.

I support euthanasia because old sick liberals aren't worth paying for.

I support welfare because liberals will not eat if they displease me.

How do you like me now?

I think my irony meter just spiked so badly it broke.

Unless you mean that we the people are GOD, of course.

Would that that were so.

But maybe...let's test it, shall we?

I dunno.

Look how @#$%ed-up we are on just a simple forum.

Now imagine the catastrophe of each of us invested with the powers of deity.

Olmypus would look like a knitting circle.

*shudders*

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I support homosexuality because it keeps liberals from breeding.

I support abortion because it keeps liberals from having children.

I support public education because it keeps liberal children pliable, unthinking and easily lead.

I support euthanasia because old sick liberals aren't worth paying for.

I support welfare because liberals will not eat if they displease me.

How do you like me now?

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

You first.

Not that I wouldn't mind a radical rethink of our society, (after all, it isn't serving me very well at ALL) but I don't really feel like watching the revolution from a Federal prison.

The truth of our current situation derives from the addition of socialism into our governing bodies and markets as well as the dishonest reporting of the nation's debt to revenue ratio.

Revenues generally rise when the taxes levied are at lower rates due to growth in the over all economy. The difference between time periods of higher tax rates and lower rates are minimal when compared to the growth of spending on entitlement programs.

There are two components left out of every administrations budget report, they are Social security and medicare payouts. When the government reports it's budget leaving out the entitlements, it is grossly deceptive and criminal.

I recently saw the actual debt accrued by our government in our name. It is a staggering 54 Trillion Dollars. Our nation's economy generates roughly 5 trillion per year. This I believe represents a century of interest.

The bottom line is: we can't afford to pay for a Ponzi Scheme. Social Security, Welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, HUD and all other government handouts must end or we the people will be bankrupt for generations.

The time for blame is over. It's time for our government to own up to it's flaws and do what is responsible.

1- Repeal the 16th amendment

2- Eliminate the income tax and every other hidden tax in favor of a sales tax.

3- Eliminate the Federal reserve bank.

4- Turn the I.R.S. loose on the government. Audit every government agency and office including Congress.

5- Prosecute all offenders of bribery and corruption.

6- Expell the United Nations from our soil.

If you look back in history this country was founded shortly after King James had the bible re-written. Average men weren't supposed to read the bible. Yet when King James read the bible he found that the great book was meant for all men to read. According to catholics you can not even directly ask god for forgivness of sins. You are to ask a man to ask god for you. The bible being written in a manner that the average pesant could read it outraged the catholic church. It caused mass conflict, and a war of bliefs. Shortly after the King James version of the bible was written, our four fathers founded this great country. People can say what they want. The entire foundation of this country is based on god and his laws. You can't go anywhere in D.C. without finding quotes from scripture engraved somewhere on a building, or seeing reference to god. The constitution even makes reference to our "creater". Not to some great explosion. The first 10 ammendments just happen to be rights given to us by god. When you walk with god you are protected by god. The constitution is protection given to us by god. Over time we have slowly slipped away from god as a country....As we have slipped from him the constitiution that protects our freedom is slipping from us. Men don't look at these documents the same as they once did and it's sad. Many men have bled for those papers, died for them, and many still dream of this country just becuase of the freedoms they entitle.

Which is why it lets us violates God's sacred laws right?

It references neither. You're thinking of the declaration of independence which is not and has never been a legal document.

So when was God going to get around to put in amendment 13? That would seem more important than #3 wouldn't you think?

Since when did God write the constitution? What source have you for this claim?

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Debates are like merry go rounds

Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

The difference is that merry-go-rounds are generally fun and entertaining.

Wow, I can't believe that this thread is still active but...

One of the most amazing things that I find about Christians who support the view of the U.S. Government being a semi-theocracy is not just that it violates the philosophies of the founding fathers, but separation of church and state is a founding principle of CHRISTIANITY!

Throughout his ministry, Jesus was repeatedly challenged and goated into making political statements and taking political stands. He repeatedly refused to do so. The most noted, but by far not the only statement regarding Jesus' strict belief in separation of church and state was "Give to Ceaser what is Ceaser's and to God What is God's"

Furthermore, Jesus made it clear that his religion was for all people. It was to be pan -nationalistic. Not only was this an incredibly new and radical idea at that time, but this strongly implies that it should not be associated with any government.

ANYONE WHO HAS READ THE GOSPELS KNOWS THIS!

Sooo, we have a long history of European "Christian" monoarchs and nowadays, American Theocrats, that in CLEAR AND OBVIOUS VIOLATION OF THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS, continue to be proponents of a CHRISTIAN THEOCRACY, which is a TOTAL OXYMORON.

These people are either COMPLETELY IGNORANT OF THEIR OWN RELIGION or if they have read (and paid attention to) the GOSPELS, they are SOMETHING ELSE OTHER THAN CHRISTIANS.

What would that be?????