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09-05-2008, 02:22 PM
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Rep Power: 2 | | | Pagan worship holidays celebrated by so-called Christians Christmas, Easter, "St. Valentines Day", Halloween, etc are all pagan holidays that have been transformed, re-packaged and commercialized to become so called religious and feel good holidays for children and family. Are Holidays like Christmas and Easter pagan or Christian?
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13 Therefore the Lord said: "Inasmuch as this people draw near Me with their mouth and with their lips do honor Me, but have removed their heart far from Me, and their fear toward Me is taught by the precept of men,
14 therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and a wonder; for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid." |
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09-05-2008, 02:40 PM
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Rep Power: 4 | | | Of course they had to incorporate party times to the religion. Imagine how boring it would've been otherwise, nobody woulda joined.
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09-05-2008, 02:44 PM
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Rep Power: 2 | | | Thats not a secret Of course celebrations were added and some were in origin pagan
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09-05-2008, 02:50 PM
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09-05-2008, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Charlie Bass Christmas, Easter, "St. Valentines Day", Halloween, etc are all pagan holidays that have been transformed, re-packaged and commercialized to become so called religious and feel good holidays for children and family. | I will actually give you credit for this one. The only thing some of these holiday's (Valentines Day, Halloween, etc) have done is create money making machines for retail companies.
The one's that I do not understand are Christmas Day, Thanksgiving Day, and Easter. Why do "non belivers" get these days off with pay? It just does not make sense .... but they sure do not turn the "holiday pay" down either, do they? | 
09-05-2008, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by CA95380 I will actually give you credit for this one. The only thing some of these holiday's (Valentines Day, Halloween, etc) have done is create money making machines for retail companies.
The one's that I do not understand are Christmas Day, Thanksgiving Day, and Easter. Why do "non belivers" get these days off with pay? It just does not make sense .... but they sure do not turn the "holiday pay" down either, do they? | Thanksgiving day is NOT a religious holiday. Nor is Halloween.
The Catholic Church made Christmas and Easter on the days they did BECAUSE they were originally pagan holidays, the idea was to help convert the Pagans and it worked.
As far as I know the only Christian sects that disagree with those days are considered cults by the rest of you anyway. Can we say Jehovah Witness?
That the days were Pagan holidays is not a secret, never has been.
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09-05-2008, 03:00 PM
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Rep Power: 2 | | | We all know religion is politics. So of course the church would be willing to have celebrations on Pagan holidays the same way my church throws a party on haloween night to discourage kids from going trick or treating and letting them fellowship in a fun enviroment at church. Religious people dont want to be bored.
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09-05-2008, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by RetiredGySgt Thanksgiving day is NOT a religious holiday. Nor is Halloween.
The Catholic Church made Christmas and Easter on the days they did BECAUSE they were originally pagan holidays, the idea was to help convert the Pagans and it worked.
As far as I know the only Christian sects that disagree with those days are considered cults by the rest of you anyway. Can we say Jehovah Witness?
That the days were Pagan holidays is not a secret, never has been. | You answered your own question ..... Thanksgiving Day "off" with pay for Jehovah Witness'es. New Year's Day too. Do you know of any of them that turn down holiday pay for Thanksgiving or the other one's? I don't. And I did not say that Halloween was a religious holiday. Clean your monitor or your glasses. | 
09-05-2008, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by CA95380 You answered your own question ..... Thanksgiving Day "off" with pay for Jehovah Witness'es. New Year's Day too. Do you know of any of them that turn down holiday pay for Thanksgiving or the other one's? I don't. And I did not say that Halloween was a religious holiday. Clean your monitor or your glasses. | Why should they? They have a WORK contract. It has zero to do with religion. They do NOT celebrate those days.
Ohh and the Jehovah Witness do not celebrate Christmas because they say Jesus never ask anyone to celebrate his birth. If they did it would probably be in October since that is pretty close to when he was born by the information in the bible.
They do celebrate Easter because it is not the right day for his death and resurrection.
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09-05-2008, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Ravi Still campaigning against Catholics, Bass?
Run off and play with yourself. | The Lord has *NOT* commanded anyone to celebrate any such holidays but as the the Word says:
Proverbs 14:12
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
Instead the Lord has said:
Deuteronomy 6:17
Ye shall diligently keep the commandments of the LORD your God, and his testimonies, and his statutes, which he hath commanded thee.
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09-05-2008, 03:22 PM
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Rep Power: 2 | | | So let's all take Proverbs 14:12 out of context. The reason dates were set are for recruitment and consistency if we went with the correct dates it would change every year because they were based off of a different calalnder and would be harder to track so in order to make religious observence easier they declared them federal holidays named them and thus created opportune moments to express faith and to fellowship i highly doubt God will smite us for loving him and each other.
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09-05-2008, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Charlie Bass The Lord has *NOT* commanded anyone to celebrate any such holidays but as the the Word says:
Proverbs 14:12
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
Instead the Lord has said:
Deuteronomy 6:17
Ye shall diligently keep the commandments of the LORD your God, and his testimonies, and his statutes, which he hath commanded thee. | Who the hell cares? Certainly not God.
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09-05-2008, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by RetiredGySgt Why should they? They have a WORK contract. It has zero to do with religion. They do NOT celebrate those days.
Ohh and the Jehovah Witness do not celebrate Christmas because they say Jesus never ask anyone to celebrate his birth. If they did it would probably be in October since that is pretty close to when he was born by the information in the bible.
They do celebrate Easter because it is not the right day for his death and resurrection. | They celebrate "Easter"? Mind showing me a link that shows that?
Here is a link you might find interesting. Shaun's Research on the Jehovah's Witnesses I have NEVER know one that does, and have had several of them work with, and for me. I have never heard that Jehovah Witness'es celebrate Easter. Perhaps you have given them a new holiday? Upon finding that link I provided I found out they do NOT celebrate New Year's Day, as I thought they did.
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09-05-2008, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by CA95380 They celebrate "Easter"? Mind showing me a link that shows that?
Here is a link you might find interesting. Shaun's Research on the Jehovah's Witnesses I have NEVER know one that does, and have had several of them work with, and for me. I have never heard that Jehovah Witness'es celebrate Easter. Perhaps you have given them a new holiday? | DO NOT, I forgot the "not" but the sentence makes no sense with out.
They also only do the bread and wine routine once a year and only the 144,000 partake. Meaning only a very few since most of them are already gone. The rest simply pass the plates and glasses with out partaking.
__________________ The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd. Indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.
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I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.
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09-05-2008, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by RetiredGySgt DO NOT, I forgot the "not" but the sentence makes no sense with out. They also only do the bread and wine routine once a year and only the 144,000 partake. Meaning only a very few since most of them are already gone. The rest simply pass the plates and glasses with out partaking.
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