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08-21-2008, 05:18 PM
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08-21-2008, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by KMAN | Well---it IS California. I wouldn't expect less .
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08-21-2008, 05:35 PM
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Rep Power: 65 | | | Why the hell don't the lesbos just get lesbo doctors to do the procedure? I mean, it isn't like it's that rare or difficult a procedure, in and of itself.....
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08-21-2008, 05:36 PM
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Rep Power: 65 | | | Or just get Jerry Garcia sperm and use a turkey baster? I hear there's gallons of it stored somewhere...
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08-21-2008, 05:43 PM
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Rep Power: 9 | | | Hmmm ... a sensitive issue ... the doctors did pay for a referral to a doctor that didn't have an issue with performing the procedure ... but on the other hand you have doctors using their faith as a reason to discriminate against a group of people ... it's like opening a restaurant with a sign outside saying "No Gay's Allowed." | 
08-21-2008, 05:54 PM
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Rep Power: 65 | | | Bullshit. It's like asking the proprietor of a Hassidic Jewish establishment to serve up pork with cream sauce.
There are doctors who don't object. Trying to force people to do things they find morally objectionable is tryanny, and it's bullshit.
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08-21-2008, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by AllieBaba Bullshit. It's like asking the proprietor of a Hassidic Jewish establishment to serve up pork with cream sauce.
There are doctors who don't object. Trying to force people to do things they find morally objectionable is tryanny, and it's bullshit. | No it's not ... the owner of the Jewish establishment just need not put that on the menu ... in this case the doctors serve the pork cream sauce ... just not to the gays. | 
08-21-2008, 06:03 PM
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I can see the problem if there were no other doctors to perform the procedure, if it was a life or death situation. But for this, I think it's frivolous. Doctors who artificially inseminate women should (and do, I believe) have some degree of leeway in determining who they consider proper candidates and who they don't. I mean, isn't that part of their job? Determining if they should inseminate? Don't they interview patients? It isn't like they have to artificially inseminate every person who comes through the door and says that's what they want. I believe that they go through a process...and if at the end they determine they don't want to take this patient, I think that's a doctor's perogative. They can refer them to someone else, or just tell them no.
They aren't slaves, for pete's sakes. Even plastic surgeons determine who they will and who they won't work on, using a variety of criteria.
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08-21-2008, 06:04 PM
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Rep Power: 65 | | | Besides which, do you REALLY want a doctor who doesn't want to be working on you for whatever reason forced to work on you anyway?
I sure as heck don't. I think it's idiotic.
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08-21-2008, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by AllieBaba Or just get Jerry Garcia sperm and use a turkey baster? I hear there's gallons of it stored somewhere... | The lesbos just need the cash. McDonalds better take notice and make sure they serve them only warm coffee
__________________ "Some men eventually stumble over the truth but they usually pick themselves up and walk on as if nothing ever happened."
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"But though there is no difference in this respect between the best demagogue and the worst, both of them having to present their cases equally in terms of melodrama, there is all the difference in the world between the statesman who is humbugging the people into allowing him to do the will of God, in whatever disguise it may come to him, and one who is humbugging them into furthering his personal ambition and the commercial interests of the plutocrats who own the newspapers and support him on reciprocal terms."
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08-21-2008, 06:39 PM
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Rep Power: 65 | | | I think as citizens we owe our allegiance to the principles that guide civic affairs. If the doctor wants to practice in a religious nation or a Christian only hospital so be it but so long we all pay for and support schools/doctors/hospitals their civic duty should come before their religious beliefs. Religion has no place in this situation and the doctor is discriminating against an American citizen. Rights come before religion in the public arena. | 
08-22-2008, 06:43 PM
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Rep Power: 65 | | | Who wants a theocracy? Lefties confuse those who want to exercise their right to practice their religion openly and without fear of reprisals with "theocrats". It's symptomatic of leftist dyslexia, and their desire to determine for others what they may and may not do.
And doctors who are performing ELECTIVE PROCEDURES get to use their own judgment when determining who is a prime candidate, and who they don't want to work on.
Too bad so sad.
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08-22-2008, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Anguille I wonder if the doctors refused to do procedures on blacks or on whites or on Catholics or on some other protected minority if they would have so much support. |
sexual orientation is not a protected minority
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08-22-2008, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by midcan5 Hate to brake this to those who want a religious theocracy in America, but what this doctor did was discriminate against a fellow citizen who lives under the same government and same constitution and thus should be treated the same as any other person in America. In other cases there would be an uproar, consider only AA. This doctor should lose his license. | again, gender orientation is not a federally protected class.
this does nothing but pave the road for the election this fall.
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08-22-2008, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Shogun again, gender orientation is not a federally protected class.
this does nothing but pave the road for the election this fall. | Stand back and think of how stupid you are being. Doctors heal, they don't judge. I've never once been asked if I was gay or straight by a doctor. It isn't their business to decide. Even you should see how wrong this is. | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
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