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08-13-2008, 09:05 PM
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Rep Power: 0 | | | Deism theory I submit that early practictioners of Deism were actually atheists that wanted to skip out on tithing and church going without getting burned at the stake.
"Sure Mathias, I believe in God, really, I do. I just think he doesn't interfere with the physical world and would prefer I not praise him publicly or send him cash." |
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08-15-2008, 12:48 PM
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by Peter Murphy
The question that arises about nature is: is it a creation, eternal to nature, or an accident within nature. The Deist will maintain that it is a creation, but Deists will differ as to degree of involvement on the part of the Creator in the process. The atheist will counter that it is either eternal, or accidental. The final resolution of this problem will eventually be up to science to settle.
To begin, let us look at nature as an ever changing and shifting painting. Science attempts to understand what the paint and canvass is composed of, the relationship of the individual paints, and the brushstrokes that are involved in the final product. But, what about the painter? If one admits that nature is similar to a painting, than it is not too far a leap to conclude that a painter exists, or at least existed at one time.
The atheist continually resorts to the logical fallacy known as argumentum ad verecundiam (appeal to modesty) when dealing with Deists or even theists. The appeal here is to science as an authority which cannot be challenged. Unfortunately, this appeal is plagued by its own problems.
First of all, science makes no claims about God one way or another, so it is not the scientists who are for the most part claiming God does not exist on the grounds that there is a lack of evidence, but the scientific layman asserting it.
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08-15-2008, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by manifold Deism and Atheism
by Peter Murphy
The question that arises about nature is: is it a creation, eternal to nature, or an accident within nature. The Deist will maintain that it is a creation, but Deists will differ as to degree of involvement on the part of the Creator in the process. The atheist will counter that it is either eternal, or accidental. The final resolution of this problem will eventually be up to science to settle.
To begin, let us look at nature as an ever changing and shifting painting. Science attempts to understand what the paint and canvass is composed of, the relationship of the individual paints, and the brushstrokes that are involved in the final product. But, what about the painter? If one admits that nature is similar to a painting, than it is not too far a leap to conclude that a painter exists, or at least existed at one time.
The atheist continually resorts to the logical fallacy known as argumentum ad verecundiam (appeal to modesty) when dealing with Deists or even theists. The appeal here is to science as an authority which cannot be challenged. Unfortunately, this appeal is plagued by its own problems.
First of all, science makes no claims about God one way or another, so it is not the scientists who are for the most part claiming God does not exist on the grounds that there is a lack of evidence, but the scientific layman asserting it.
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08-15-2008, 02:38 PM
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The final resolution of this problem will eventually be up to science to settle.
| I'm on the edge of my seat waiting to hear their final conclusion, too.
Do you think they'll let us know sometime this weekend? | 
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Originally Posted by Ravi Where do you find this drivel? | duh!?! Why, on the internet of course.  | 
08-15-2008, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by manifold I submit that early practictioners of Deism were actually atheists that wanted to skip out on tithing and church going without getting burned at the stake.
"Sure Mathias, I believe in God, really, I do. I just think he doesn't interfere with the physical world and would prefer I not praise him publicly or send him cash." | In a nutshell, most Deists believe in a creative force or influence in the development of the nature of our existence. We just don't believe that any religions that people have created describe the nature of this force.
You will find a very good description of the history of Deism at deism.com (I couldn't post a direct link yet.) | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
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