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Christians are the biggest on imposing their beliefs on others. Jews? Not so much. It's an "exclusive" club with them.

Same basically with Muslims.


Not so.
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Old 04-08-2013, 11:14 PM
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How many millions of christians bitched about, and tried to stop construction of, a muslim community center being built on privately owned property in NYC a few years ago? .


People were not opposing that 'in the name of Christianity.'
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If the Bible is correct it is the World vs. Christians. Atheists are just humans given over to seducing spirits.
Christianity is presently the most persecuted religion on the earth. And it's about to get worse.
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How many millions of christians bitched about, and tried to stop construction of, a muslim community center being built on privately owned property in NYC a few years ago? .


People were not opposing that 'in the name of Christianity.'
Really?

I believe that you are being obtuse in that on purpose. It was very much the churches and the Christians opposing that move. For the most part, atheists and non-Christian religious people simply did not care.

Of course, you have another counter to that though – atheists were the ones spearheading the opposition for the display of the ‘cross’ from the rubble in a privately funded museum because, well, I can’t really tell what for. The opposition made no sense. At least the Christians had somewhat of an underlying reason – Islamic radicals DID kill a LOT of people taking those buildings out.

Really, in essence, we have an example where the opposition to religion was essentially all over the place, not just with Christians but with others as well and all were essentially equal in this.
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Old 04-09-2013, 04:27 AM
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How many millions of christians bitched about, and tried to stop construction of, a muslim community center being built on privately owned property in NYC a few years ago? .


People were not opposing that 'in the name of Christianity.'
Really?.


Yes, really. A lot of people -Christians, Jews, and even atheists - opposed that building because of what had only recently happened there. You are making assumptions based on the fact that the majority of people in this country happen to be Christians.
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Most ignorant atheists think that christianity sprung from Constantine.
I've never heard any atheist say that.

But any history of the church has to include the guy. He and his council essentially gave you your bible. Prior to that there was no bible as you have today. Just various books. Some of which were included, some were not.

And while I love getting a laugh out of revisionist history, he didn't just make it legal to be a christian. He made it illegal to be anything else.
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This is why it's always going to be us vs them.

Christians view opposition to a christian monument in a government owned public park as "trying to take their rights".

The truth is their monument is trying to take away our rights by tying the government to their religion.

How many millions of christians bitched about, and tried to stop construction of, a muslim community center being built on privately owned property in NYC a few years ago? And yet they fail to see the log in their own eye.

If I were to see someone actually infringing on the rights of christians I would fight that tooth and nail. But if I were a betting man, I'd bet they would throw me under the bus if someone were to be infringing my rights.
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The government don't own anything. It belongs to the public and in America 80 percent believe in God. You do not have a right to not be offended.
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Christianity comes from Christ and the disciples. Christ and the disciples did not create the Roman Catholic church. The Roman Catholic church was created when a caesar became Christian. Hence a pope is born.

Christianity existed before the Catholic Church, and the Catholic church does not represent the core of Christianity. It just represents the one flavor...that of the Roman caesars.
I've heard it argued that Peter was the first Pope, so there is a precedent for saying that the Roman Catholic Church was the first official church of Christianity.

But if you go by the texts, the first "church" of Christianity was wherever Jesus happened to be. A church doesn't have to be a church to be considered a church.

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Most ignorant atheists think that christianity sprung from Constantine.
I've never heard that before. Now, Constantine did help out Christianity through the Edict of Milan, which basically required you to treat Christians benevolently. Afterward he kind of went a bit extreme and adopted a "Convert or Die" policy.

Sometimes everything he did went completely against the religion he was promoting, but he did help grow Christianity's numbers.

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Yeah, but how long until the government holds land for itself? When you have just the CONCEPT of "Eminent Domain", then you have a problem.
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Christ referenced the church during his life, and there were no popes then.

I don't argue that the Catholic church isn't a part of the church....but most anti-Christians have only a fuzzy concept of what the church is, and from whence it came. They seem to think that there was no church when Christ died, until the Pope rose up and declared himself head of the church in Rome...and that all churches today are nothing but bastard branches of it. They can't get past seeing the church as a building, and a set of rules...when that isn't the church at all. The church is THE SAVED. It doesn't matter where they meet or what they call their local groups or what their doctrine is. Unless you are having a discussion specifically about the Catholic church, THE CHURCH is just the saved...be they Mormon, or Baptist, or Catholic, or whatever. If they're saved, God recognizes them as a part of the church. And people were granted salvation for hundreds of years before the Catholic Church arrived on the scene.
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That's probably because the Catholic Church has done its best to convince people that any branches off are bastardized from them.
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Of course.
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But that was happening even during Paul's time...the New Testament is filled with admonitions to the different and large churches that sprung up overnight in the wake of Christ.
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But that was happening even during Paul's time...the New Testament is filled with admonitions to the different and large churches that sprung up overnight in the wake of Christ.
Very true.
I remember attending a church not too long ago out of respect for one of my coworkers (it was their wedding). It was a Church of God, which also claims to be the first church ever, claiming to have been invented in the 1st Century AD as a unifier of many separate churches. They claim the Catholic Church sprung from them.

I think it's all semantics, personally. I don't believe, but if I did, why worry about all these denominations and whatnot? Christ said this would happen, so wouldn't the best thing be to just pick one closest to you and attend that one?

Granted, I'm speaking from a mostly Protestant viewpoint, so I only have secondhand knowledge of how churches like Catholics or Mormons work.
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