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Gallup: Georgia 7th most religious state | News To Me with George Mathis

Mississippi is the most religious state and VT the least.

I would have expected CA to be the least religious. How the data was gathered and analyzed--that would be good to know.
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What's crazy is the list goes in order from red states, to swing-states, and then to blue states
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What's crazy is the list goes in order from red states, to swing-states, and then to blue states
I reread the article and it seems to be based on regular church attendance. Only 19% for VT. I think CA had 35%.

Not certain how useful the data would be. I don't go to church regularly but have religious beliefs.
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Gallup: Georgia 7th most religious state | News To Me with George Mathis

Mississippi is the most religious state and VT the least.

I would have expected CA to be the least religious. How the data was gathered and analyzed--that would be good to know.
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What's crazy is the list goes in order from red states, to swing-states, and then to blue states
I reread the article and it seems to be based on regular church attendance. Only 19% for VT. I think CA had 35%.

Not certain how useful the data would be. I don't go to church regularly but have religious beliefs.
Exactly - it's a flawed methodology:
Overall, 40% of Americans nationwide were classified as very religious in 2012 -- based on saying religion is an important part of their daily life and that they attend religious services every week or almost every week. Thirty-one percent of Americans were nonreligious, saying religion is not an important part of their daily life and that they seldom or never attend religious services. The remaining 29% of Americans were moderately religious, saying religion is important in their lives but that they do not attend services regularly, or that religion is not important but that they still attend services. (Gallup)

-- they're equating "attending services" with "being religious", which is a false equivalence. Those who either don't have services that reflect their outlook, or who don't believe organized congregations are a part of religiousness, cannot be counted. Thus, flawed methodology. I doubt Gallup would know what religion was if it galloped up to their home office and demanded "what in the wide world of sports kind of poll is this?".

Just as disturbing, the original AJC article crows: "The good news? America, despite the best efforts of ice cream-creating non-creationists in Vermont, is still “a religious nation", and goes on, "a state with a small population apparently hellbent on tugging a loose thread of the moral fabric of American society". Self-righteous elitist crap. The AJC is usually a better paper than that.

The comments on the article are interesting though.
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What's crazy is the list goes in order from red states, to swing-states, and then to blue states
I reread the article and it seems to be based on regular church attendance. Only 19% for VT. I think CA had 35%.

Not certain how useful the data would be. I don't go to church regularly but have religious beliefs.
Exactly - it's a flawed methodology:
Overall, 40% of Americans nationwide were classified as very religious in 2012 -- based on saying religion is an important part of their daily life and that they attend religious services every week or almost every week. Thirty-one percent of Americans were nonreligious, saying religion is not an important part of their daily life and that they seldom or never attend religious services. The remaining 29% of Americans were moderately religious, saying religion is important in their lives but that they do not attend services regularly, or that religion is not important but that they still attend services. (Gallup)

-- they're equating "attending services" with "being religious", which is a false equivalence. Those who either don't have services that reflect their outlook, or who don't believe organized congregations are a part of religiousness, cannot be counted. Thus, flawed methodology. I doubt Gallup would know what religion was if it galloped up to their home office and demanded "what in the wide world of sports kind of poll is this?".

Just as disturbing, the original AJC article crows: "The good news? America, despite the best efforts of ice cream-creating non-creationists in Vermont, is still “a religious nation", and goes on, "a state with a small population apparently hellbent on tugging a loose thread of the moral fabric of American society". Self-righteous elitist crap. The AJC is usually a better paper than that.
The comments on the article are interesting though.
I took that as dry humor. The article seemed to have been written in an informal style--might have been a blog--I can't recall.

Anyway--in general, I would personally rank CA as less religious than VT.

It seems like it was about this time last year that a vote on the 'selling liquor in grocery/package stores on Sunday' was pending. Lots of discussion--each county/city or town now decides for itself.
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I reread the article and it seems to be based on regular church attendance. Only 19% for VT. I think CA had 35%.

Not certain how useful the data would be. I don't go to church regularly but have religious beliefs.
Exactly - it's a flawed methodology:
Overall, 40% of Americans nationwide were classified as very religious in 2012 -- based on saying religion is an important part of their daily life and that they attend religious services every week or almost every week. Thirty-one percent of Americans were nonreligious, saying religion is not an important part of their daily life and that they seldom or never attend religious services. The remaining 29% of Americans were moderately religious, saying religion is important in their lives but that they do not attend services regularly, or that religion is not important but that they still attend services. (Gallup)

-- they're equating "attending services" with "being religious", which is a false equivalence. Those who either don't have services that reflect their outlook, or who don't believe organized congregations are a part of religiousness, cannot be counted. Thus, flawed methodology. I doubt Gallup would know what religion was if it galloped up to their home office and demanded "what in the wide world of sports kind of poll is this?".

Just as disturbing, the original AJC article crows: "The good news? America, despite the best efforts of ice cream-creating non-creationists in Vermont, is still “a religious nation", and goes on, "a state with a small population apparently hellbent on tugging a loose thread of the moral fabric of American society". Self-righteous elitist crap. The AJC is usually a better paper than that.
The comments on the article are interesting though.
I took that as dry humor. The article seemed to have been written in an informal style--might have been a blog--I can't recall.

Anyway--in general, I would personally rank CA as less religious than VT.

It seems like it was about this time last year that a vote on the 'selling liquor in grocery/package stores on Sunday' was pending. Lots of discussion--each county/city or town now decides for itself.
I have lived in both VT and CA but couldn't possibly presume to declare "how religious" the population of either one is, since religion is a personal matter. That question probably cannot even be answered at all; it would be like asking "what's the most beautiful state?" I have to wonder what point Gallup was trying to make by even attempting this question, flawed methodology and all. In one sense, everybody is religious, regardless how we choose to exercise it, or where, or when. At best they could ask nothing more than "how religious do you consider yourself" and leave out all the stereotype garbage about attending "services", as if that's the only manifestation there is.

Me, I happen to live in a lush forest teeming with flora and fauna, and as far as I'm concerned that's a lot more of a church than any building with a point on it where some guy in a dress chants in a language nobody speaks any more and the neighbors gather to cackle on who's not buying the lemming juice. But the Gallup methodology couldn't handle that.

In the AJC story the verbage on Vermont was colourful, but I was more concerned with the phrase "the good news", which illogically projects the writer's own prejudices. I don't get the impression that writer contemplated the methodology at all.
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Exactly - it's a flawed methodology:
Overall, 40% of Americans nationwide were classified as very religious in 2012 -- based on saying religion is an important part of their daily life and that they attend religious services every week or almost every week. Thirty-one percent of Americans were nonreligious, saying religion is not an important part of their daily life and that they seldom or never attend religious services. The remaining 29% of Americans were moderately religious, saying religion is important in their lives but that they do not attend services regularly, or that religion is not important but that they still attend services. (Gallup)

-- they're equating "attending services" with "being religious", which is a false equivalence. Those who either don't have services that reflect their outlook, or who don't believe organized congregations are a part of religiousness, cannot be counted. Thus, flawed methodology. I doubt Gallup would know what religion was if it galloped up to their home office and demanded "what in the wide world of sports kind of poll is this?".

Just as disturbing, the original AJC article crows: "The good news? America, despite the best efforts of ice cream-creating non-creationists in Vermont, is still “a religious nation", and goes on, "a state with a small population apparently hellbent on tugging a loose thread of the moral fabric of American society". Self-righteous elitist crap. The AJC is usually a better paper than that.
The comments on the article are interesting though.
I took that as dry humor. The article seemed to have been written in an informal style--might have been a blog--I can't recall.

Anyway--in general, I would personally rank CA as less religious than VT.

It seems like it was about this time last year that a vote on the 'selling liquor in grocery/package stores on Sunday' was pending. Lots of discussion--each county/city or town now decides for itself.
I have lived in both VT and CA but couldn't possibly presume to declare "how religious" the population of either one is, since religion is a personal matter. That question probably cannot even be answered at all; it would be like asking "what's the most beautiful state?" I have to wonder what point Gallup was trying to make by even attempting this question, flawed methodology and all. In one sense, everybody is religious, regardless how we choose to exercise it, or where, or when. At best they could ask nothing more than "how religious do you consider yourself" and leave out all the stereotype garbage about attending "services", as if that's the only manifestation there is.

Me, I happen to live in a lush forest teeming with flora and fauna, and as far as I'm concerned that's a lot more of a church than any building with a point on it where some guy in a dress chants in a language nobody speaks any more and the neighbors gather to cackle on who's not buying the lemming juice. But the Gallup methodology couldn't handle that.

In the AJC story the verbage on Vermont was colourful, but I was more concerned with the phrase "the good news", which illogically projects the writer's own prejudices. I don't get the impression that writer contemplated the methodology at all.
I agree--not really possible to measure 'how religious'. I suppose that is why I didn't pay a great deal of attention to what was written.
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Gallup: Georgia 7th most religious state | News To Me with George Mathis

Mississippi is the most religious state and VT the least.

I would have expected CA to be the least religious. How the data was gathered and analyzed--that would be good to know.
Why would you expect california to be the least? There are millions of religious people. Just because there happens to be more total nutjobs ruining the state doesn't mean there aren't millions of faithful. (And unfortunately, those two groups do overlap in areas).
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Mississippi is the most religious state and VT the least.

I would have expected CA to be the least religious. How the data was gathered and analyzed--that would be good to know.
Why would you expect california to be the least? There are millions of religious people. Just because there happens to be more total nutjobs ruining the state doesn't mean there aren't millions of faithful. (And unfortunately, those two groups do overlap in areas)>
forget that I even said that.

It is a large state=-35% of the population would be fewer people, perhaps--than smaller states with lower percentages? maybe that is what I thought. Probably wrong and not worth further discussion.

If this poll is based on regular church attendance it has already been discussed that is not a precise indicator of those who hold religious beliefs.
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If this poll is based on regular church attendance it has already been discussed that is not a precise indicator of those who hold religious beliefs.
But it's not.

This from the piece...

"Vermont, a state with a small population apparently hellbent on tugging a loose thread of the moral fabric of American society, is the least religious state. Only 19 percent of the population there says they go to church regularly or consider religion an important part of their life."

So someone could stay home but consider religion an important part of their life and be counted.
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If this poll is based on regular church attendance it has already been discussed that is not a precise indicator of those who hold religious beliefs.
But it's not.

This from the piece...

"Vermont, a state with a small population apparently hellbent on tugging a loose thread of the moral fabric of American society, is the least religious state. Only 19 percent of the population there says they go to church regularly or consider religion an important part of their life."

So someone could stay home but consider religion an important part of their life and be counted.
Maybe Pogo will return and debate this with you.

It seems a generic sort of compilation of data--possibly gives a relatively accurate view of the US.

MS is 'the most religious state' and MS has some major challenges. The same could be said about each state I suppose.

GA chose to vote last year on allowing municipalities to sell liquor in package stores on Sunday and beer and wine in grocery stores. It was discussed thoroughly. I assume this poll was useful at that time.
We have the lottery--which funds scholarships and educational programs. It is not likely that casinos or other gambling options will be approved. Policies like that could be attributed to religion.

I have never been to VT and traveled only briefly in CA. I know both are designated as Blue states. They seem different. I suppose I picture New England with 'a lot' of churches --how the religious views have evolved over time is another matter. I know that if you visited GA and for some reason began to ask random people about their religious beliefs, which I wouldn't advise--you would quite possibly encounter more people who would respond affirmatively than not.

This is not the greatest article or study on this topic available--imo.
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If this poll is based on regular church attendance it has already been discussed that is not a precise indicator of those who hold religious beliefs.
But it's not.

This from the piece...

"Vermont, a state with a small population apparently hellbent on tugging a loose thread of the moral fabric of American society, is the least religious state. Only 19 percent of the population there says they go to church regularly or consider religion an important part of their life."

So someone could stay home but consider religion an important part of their life and be counted.
Maybe Pogo will return and debate this with you.

It seems a generic sort of compilation of data--possibly gives a relatively accurate view of the US.

MS is 'the most religious state' and MS has some major challenges. The same could be said about each state I suppose.

GA chose to vote last year on allowing municipalities to sell liquor in package stores on Sunday and beer and wine in grocery stores. It was discussed thoroughly. I assume this poll was useful at that time.
We have the lottery--which funds scholarships and educational programs. It is not likely that casinos or other gambling options will be approved. Policies like that could be attributed to religion.

I have never been to VT and traveled only briefly in CA. I know both are designated as Blue states. They seem different. I suppose I picture New England with 'a lot' of churches --how the religious views have evolved over time is another matter. I know that if you visited GA and for some reason began to ask random people about their religious beliefs, which I wouldn't advise--you would quite possibly encounter more people who would respond affirmatively than not.

This is not the greatest article or study on this topic available--imo.
I think we agree, it's not. At best it might better have been called a poll on which states are the most churchgoing, for whatever that's worth, which isn't much.

I don't see a bone of contention to debate here; if I read correctly we all agree on the above, that church/synagogue/mosque attendance rates do not equate to being more or less "religious". At best we might say it equates to a rate of compliance with stereotypical standards, reducing the concept of "religiousness" to how often one shows up in a building, which waters down the entire concept of spirituality to a lowest common denominator.

OTOH if we take a human level of religiousness to be a constant among all people in all places (which I think is a reasonable assumption) then the poll may indicate which states are the least creative (e.g. Mississippi) in their spiritual expression.

I don't think the poll was weighted for population density but Vermont is the most rural state in the country --"rural" meaning percentage of population who live in urban versus rural settings. So more folks there live far from their town, go there with limited frequency and travel on rustic roads when they do go. So a poll asking "how often do you go to a grocery store" would presumably place the state at the same level.

I would however have to question this:
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Why would you expect california to be the least? There are millions of religious people. Just because there happens to be more total nutjobs ruining the state ... <snip>
It's hard to take that bit seriously at all when you live a short drive from ... South Carolina.
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