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Catholic Church: Sex only for procreation

it has come to my attention that the catholic church believes and essentially commands that sex is only for procreation.

what is your understanding of this. especially if you are catholic. because from what I've read, catholicism teaches sex is for both procreation and unity or pleasure and they do not have to both be at the same time. IOW, you can have sex for pleasure and not just to procreate.
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here are the two comments:

the view of the church that sex is suppose to be only for procreation

The church however teaches that people should not have sex unless it's for only procreation

this is not a flame thread, rather i would like to see more of the board's opinion on this matter.
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it has come to my attention that the catholic church believes and essentially commands that sex is only for procreation.

what is your understanding of this. especially if you are catholic. because from what I've read, catholicism teaches sex is for both procreation and unity or pleasure and they do not have to both be at the same time. IOW, you can have sex for pleasure and not just to procreate.
I'm not going to rehash three pages of what just went on in the other thread. This is the Church's view on sex and procreation. It doesn't mean I agree with it, that's it right, or that the bible even agrees with it. This is the modern day 2010 Catholic Church's stance.

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The Catholic Church teaches that the deliberate use of the sexual faculty outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its primary purpose of procreation and secondary purpose of unification of the husband and wife within the sacrament of marriage.[2] In addition, the Church teaches that all other sexual activity—including masturbation, homosexual acts, acts of sodomy, and sex outside of or before marriage (fornication), and the use of any form of contraception or birth control— is gravely disordered, as it frustrates the natural order, purpose, and ends of sexuality.[3]
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Q: Are marital relations not supposed to pleasurable because they are only for reproductive purposes?
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A: The primary purposes of marital relations are procreation and spousal unity (babies and bonding), but that does not mean that the husband and wife are not supposed to derive pleasure from their marital relations. Although pleasure is not a purpose of sex, it is important to fulfilling the purposes of sex.

God gave humans the capacity to enjoy food and sex in order to encourage them to fulfill the purposes of those human needs. A moral problem occurs only when deriving pleasure from food and sex is put above or in the place of its intended purpose. Someone who eats solely for pleasure, without regard for the needs of his body, abuses the privilege of eating. In the same way, someone who has sex solely for pleasure, without regard for its intended purposes of babies and bonding, abuses the privilege of sex.
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Ad perpetuam rei memoriam. — Sex amplius saecula ecclesia paroecialis Sanctae Valburgis, quae in urbe «Arnhem» posita finibus archidioecesis Ultraiectensis continetur, Christifidelium animos ad se convertit, peregrinatorum turmas ad se allicit atque efficit, ut spirituales fructus ibi percipiantur nec pauci nec leves. Non est quin comprobet architecturam, imagines ceteraque ornamenta, imprimis autem serinium, in quo reliquiae Sanctae Caelitis conditae sunt, admirationem habet pietatemque fovet.
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not meant as a rehash, but thanks for putting forth what you believe supports your assertions...i note that you do not bold that portions that go against your claims...

for example you did not bold the first part:

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A: The primary purposes of marital relations are procreation and spousal unity (babies and bonding), but that does not mean that the husband and wife are not supposed to derive pleasure from their marital relations. Although pleasure is not a purpose of sex, it is important to fulfilling the purposes of sex.
to me, that clearly says there are two purposes for sex or marital relations...1. babies, 2. unity or bonding....i do not see anywhere where it says the bonding must accompany making babies, it says there are two purproses and it never says they must always be at the same time....

i found this from the vatican which does not support your assertion:

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III. THE LOVE OF HUSBAND AND WIFE

2360 Sexuality is ordered to the conjugal love of man and woman. In marriage the physical intimacy of the spouses becomes a sign and pledge of spiritual communion. Marriage bonds between baptized persons are sanctified by the sacrament.

2361 "Sexuality, by means of which man and woman give themselves to one another through the acts which are proper and exclusive to spouses, is not something simply biological, but concerns the innermost being of the human person as such. It is realized in a truly human way only if it is an integral part of the love by which a man and woman commit themselves totally to one another until death."143


2362 "The acts in marriage by which the intimate and chaste union of the spouses takes place are noble and honorable; the truly human performance of these acts fosters the self-giving they signify and enriches the spouses in joy and gratitude."145 Sexuality is a source of joy and pleasure:


The Creator himself . . . established that in the [generative] function, spouses should experience pleasure and enjoyment of body and spirit. Therefore, the spouses do nothing evil in seeking this pleasure and enjoyment. They accept what the Creator has intended for them. At the same time, spouses should know how to keep themselves within the limits of just moderation.146
2363 The spouses' union achieves the twofold end of marriage: the good of the spouses themselves and the transmission of life. These two meanings or values of marriage cannot be separated without altering the couple's spiritual life and compromising the goods of marriage and the future of the family.
Catechism of the Catholic Church - The sixth commandment

the above says it is not simply biological, it is also about pleasure and it clearly states that sex has a two fold purpose 1. good of the spouses themselves and 2. biological, life
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further....it is clear the church approves of natural birth "regulation" (read control)


2370 Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality.158

same link above and it is clear that one can have sex during times when the woman cannot conceive
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Yurt - I am Catholic and we were required to attend several weeks of "pre Cana" before we were married - essentially marriage counseling. With a wink and a nod they discussed birth control. Most of the couples in our class were in their 20s and 30s and prob not a virgin amongst us. Catholicism is a very complicated religion with a book of rules the size of the US Tax code. People pick and choose those they agree with. I am pro choice as is my mother, sister in laws and Republican Catholic girlfriends. That's enough to make the Vatican, the GOP, and rdean's head explode. Lol
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Catholics are uptight...and yes, the purpose of sex to Catholicism is procreation.

Otherwise birth control would be okay.
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Catholics are uptight...and yes, the purpose of sex to Catholicism is procreation.

Otherwise birth control would be okay.
2370 Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality.158

Catechism of the Catholic Church - The sixth commandment

what say you to that ravi? seems to me that it says natural regulation or control is just fine, IOW, you can have sex when the woman cannot conceive.
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Yurt - I am Catholic and we were required to attend several weeks of "pre Cana" before we were married - essentially marriage counseling. With a wink and a nod they discussed birth control. Most of the couples in our class were in their 20s and 30s and prob not a virgin amongst us. Catholicism is a very complicated religion with a book of rules the size of the US Tax code. People pick and choose those they agree with. I am pro choice as is my mother, sister in laws and Republican Catholic girlfriends. That's enough to make the Vatican, the GOP, and rdean's head explode. Lol
thanks for your reply. is the above catechism i posted valid?
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Anyone who was raised Catholic can tell you that masturbation, oral sex, and using artificial birth control are sins.

2370 Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality.158
...the rhythm method is the #1 way to have unplanned pregnancies, as half of my Catholic relatives can tell you. But it keeps the family large, and the Church growing!

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no doubt, it is that way for non catholics as well...

so, is it true that the church says you can only have sex if it is for procreation? the way that reads is that you can engage in sex when it is not about procreation and your anecdotal evidence suggest many other catholics believe this to be true as well....
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it has come to my attention that the catholic church believes and essentially commands that sex is only for procreation.

what is your understanding of this. especially if you are catholic. because from what I've read, catholicism teaches sex is for both procreation and unity or pleasure and they do not have to both be at the same time. IOW, you can have sex for pleasure and not just to procreate.
if that were true, wouldn't they be allowed to use contraception?
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Sex only for procreation? They may want to tell their priests that.
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