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08-03-2008, 09:30 AM
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Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. Racism, Crime, and The Prison System (by Steven Malik Shelton) - Media Monitors Network (MMN)
The disproportionate incarceration rates of black men appears to be almost de facto slavery by the US government. |
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08-03-2008, 09:55 AM
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just a thought.
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08-03-2008, 09:57 AM
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gimme a fucking break.Class strucure will ALWAYS be a heirarchy. There are poor whites just like there are poor blacks. We dont blame the trailer park for white crime so, please, stop making excuses for crimes in the ghetto.
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08-03-2008, 10:00 AM
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08-03-2008, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Charlie Bass 13th Amendment:
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. Racism, Crime, and The Prison System (by Steven Malik Shelton) - Media Monitors Network (MMN)
The disproportionate incarceration rates of black men appears to be almost de facto slavery by the US government. | It only appears that way because a disproportionate blacks commit offenses that land them in prison. Many of them actually prefer prison life to submitting to playing whitey's game. Would affirmative action in prison make things seem more fair to you?
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08-03-2008, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dilloduck It only appears that way because a disproportionate blacks commit offenses that land them in prison. Many of them actually prefer prison life to submitting to playing whitey's game. Would affirmative action in prison make things seem more fair to you? |
Part of the problem is disproportionate offending8though not the biggest factor] the biggest part of it is that blacks receive longer prison sentences for committing crimes that whites receive lesser time for and or probation. Also add to the fact that blacks are more likely to get charged federally as opposed to being charged by state laws which normally carry less stiff sentences. More offending doesn't account for nor is it an excuse for giving blacks as a whole more stiffer sentences than whites. | 
08-03-2008, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Charlie Bass Part of the problem is disproportionate offending8though not the biggest factor] the biggest part of it is that blacks receive longer prison sentences for committing crimes that whites receive lesser time for and or probation. Also add to the fact that blacks are more likely to get charged federally as opposed to being charged by state laws which normally carry less stiff sentences. More offending doesn't account for nor is it an excuse for giving blacks as a whole more stiffer sentences than whites. | You of course have facts from a legitimate, unbiased source to back up these allegations? Poor people get longer prison sentences because they can't afford the better lawyers.
Try looking beyond the tip of your own nose.
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08-03-2008, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Charlie Bass Part of the problem is disproportionate offending8though not the biggest factor] the biggest part of it is that blacks receive longer prison sentences for committing crimes that whites receive lesser time for and or probation. Also add to the fact that blacks are more likely to get charged federally as opposed to being charged by state laws which normally carry less stiff sentences. More offending doesn't account for nor is it an excuse for giving blacks as a whole more stiffer sentences than whites. | So CB, would you agree with me that if the races separated, blacks would no longer have to worry about being in the clutches of a racist white criminal justice system? In fact, they'd no longer have to worry about "racist" anything, because they'd be completely on their own?
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08-03-2008, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunny You of course have facts from a legitimate, unbiased source to back up these allegations? Poor people get longer prison sentences because they can't afford the better lawyers.
Try looking beyond the tip of your own nose. |
Its more than just class, its race and the US Sentencing Commission has more than backed this up, here's one example: http://www.ussc.gov/hearings/11_13_0..._testimony.pdf | 
08-03-2008, 10:06 PM
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08-03-2008, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Charlie Bass | Sounds like to me the blacks in this report need to lay off the crack pipe, right?
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08-03-2008, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Nemo Securus Is Oprah being held down by the white man too? What about Barack? Colin Powell? Condaleeza Rice? They seem to be pretty well off and I've never seen any of them beat down by "the man". | Oreos don't count !
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08-03-2008, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Nemo Securus Is Oprah being held down by the white man too? What about Barack? Colin Powell? Condaleeza Rice? They seem to be pretty well off and I've never seen any of them beat down by "the man". | So by your logic, because these four people "made it" racism and discrimination no longer exist? | 
08-03-2008, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jreeves Sounds like to me the blacks in this report need to lay off the crack pipe, right? | You're too stupid to read anything, whites make up the majority of drug abusers numerically and perecentage wise, yet there are far more blacks in prison on drug related offenses and longer sentences than whites. The reason for the disparity is that law enforcement purposely target black neighborhoods you idiot, not white ones, so who really needs to lay off the drugs? | 
08-03-2008, 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Charlie Bass You're too stupid to read anything, whites make up the majority of drug abusers numerically and perecentage wise, yet there are far more blacks in prison on drug related offenses and longer sentences than whites. The reason for the disparity is that law enforcement purposely target black neighborhoods you idiot, not white ones, so who really needs to lay off the drugs? | Really, maybe I'm wrong but tell me how? crack-use-by-ethnicity.jpg http://schotline.wordpress.com/2008/...us-government/
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