Is legal slavery in the US really over?

Not in our prison system, no.

Of course those who disagree will argue that work in prisons is voluntary, but that specious argument assumes that everyone there belongs in prison, too.

I'm not so sure that is true.

who says prison should be a vacation from life? I'm all for chain gangs. If you can kill someone in a botched robbery attempt then you can go tend prison farms and feed yourself rather than be a tax burden.


the fucking mellowdrama is ridiculous.

Imbecile, prison, with or wothout the chain gang is no vacation. What stupid logic.

And a type of slavery is allowed in Prison, as per the Constitution. However it is NOT based on race. It is based on the ACTIONS of those that violate our laws.

Even assuming blacks get more time then whites ( something you have not proven) they are STILL in prison cause they CHOSE to break the law.

So now we should just release x amount of black people cause you think it is racist? Who gets to decide which blacks that break laws get a free pass in the future after we decide to only arrest a percentage of criminals of a certain color?

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They live better than the homeless or citizens in many 3rd world nations.

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but it's STILL a tax burden on the very society whose laws they decided to ignore. And, considering SOME jobs, yes, it is a vacation even if your bunk mate fucks you in the ass every shower day.

http://www.sentencingproject.org/Adm...cingpolicy.pdf

Racial Disparity Approximately 2/3 of crack users are white or Hispanic, yet the vast
majority of persons convicted of possession in federal courts in 1994 were African
American, according to the USSC. Defendants convicted of crack possession in 1994 were
84.5% black, 10.3% white, and 5.2% Hispanic. Trafficking offenders were 4.1% white,
88.3% black, and 7.1% Hispanic. Powder cocaine offenders were more racially mixed.
Defendants convicted of simple possession of cocaine powder were 58% white, 26.7%
black, and 15% Hispanic. The powder trafficking offenders were 32% white, 27.4% black,
and 39.3% Hispanic. The result of the combined difference in sentencing laws and racial
disparity is that black men and women are serving longer prison sentences than white
men and women.

Discrepancies in Cocaine Sentencing: A Test of Black's Theory of Law


Discrepancies in Cocaine Sentencing: A Test of Black's Theory of Law

Abstract:


Since crack cocaine appeared on the streets of the United States in the early 1980’s, the criminal justice system has been overwhelmed with minority drug offenders. b]Prior research has shown that while most people who use crack cocaine are White, the majority of offenders in the criminal justice system are Black or Hispanic.[/b] Moreover it has been shown that minorities are treated more harshly than their White counterparts, often receiving harsher sentences and higher bails as well as being less likely to be released on their own recognizance. Using arrest data from New York City with a matched sample of crack and powder cocaine offenders, this study applies Donald Black’s theory of law to crack and cocaine sentencing to help us better understand why sentencing discrepancies exist. Results show mixed support for Black’s propositions, as have many empirical tests of the theory in the past. Implications of the study and directions for future research are discussed.

thats exactly it. We've seen VETS who die on the fucking street who get less from society than pieces of shit in prison. Prison is not a fucking day spa. If inmates can be made to work in order to be self sufficient then so be it. Next time, dont act like a fucking thug and murder someone in a liquer store robbery.

Again dumb logic, prison is no cakewalk or resort where people lay back and relax for years. Prisons in third world countries are worst than prisons in America, but if you had your choice the Bass guesses you would rather be in prison behind bars than in a third world country right?

Sorry your study is worthless since it does not in fact only address "crack". Which is much more addictive then powder. And I doubt more blacks use powder than whites which skews the results. I also believe crack is cheaper to buy and more easily obtained.

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-Laurence J. Peters

I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.
-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)

So where does all this information come from? There are currently more white than black people, so of course there will be more white abusers.

But a drug-related offense isn't necessarily a use-related offense. It could be manufacture, sale or delivery of an illegal substance. It could be a violent crime committed while obtaining or delivering drugs, or while under the influence, or in order to purchase.

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Every documentary and personal account that the Bass has seen and heard about prison life indicates that its rough and harsh beyond harsh, people there are treated far less than human but using your logic you'd rather be in prison taking it up the butt[you do that anyways but thats beside the point] and living among hardened criminals than be a homless vet on the street who's been neglected but has a lot more control over his/her life than an inmate, right? Put down your crack pipe Shogun.

Im white, bass.. statistically speaking, the crackpipe is a legacy you share with no other ethnic demographic.

and, your family reunion is hardly relevant evidence. The fact that prisoners can purchase more goods than a homeless vet can indicates how stupid your position is.


Besides, dont cry because your crime filled ethnic demographic cant see beyond the Tupac soundtrack and gets sent to prison where they may have to do more than act all thugly while living at their mammas house. Black people who get educations don't get sent to prison where they might have to work to keep from being a burden to society.

maybe when you take your face out of the slice of watermelon you can ponder all that.

Two-thirds of all crack user are and Hispanic, not black people, so yes, you need to put down that crack pipe.

The fact that a homeless vet has a far better chance to improve his condition and get a job as opposed to a inmate who's locked up and makes far below the minimum wage reenders you position a retarded one.


the majority of blacks are not criminals, don't engage in so-called "thug culture, etc, There are close to almost 40 million blacks in America and only less than 2 million have any involvement with a criminal background.

I don't get the parallel between the homeless vet and the convict. A homeless vet is a homeless vet by choice. He hasn't proven he's a criminal, he hasn't been caught and convicted of a crime. He served his country at one point.

It should be easier for him to get a job....provided one can find a job he would deign to take. Having had some contact with homeless vets, chances are he isn't interested in working at any rate. He has other issues.

But it has always been hard for ex-cons to get work. It's not as bad today as it used to be...but many jobs won't hire people with certain crimes on their records. THEY CAN'T. It puts their clients at risk, and screws up insurance.

I'm not understanding what you think we're supposed to be doing for criminals. It's already been proven that rehab doesn't work.

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