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06-11-2008, 09:11 PM
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06-11-2008, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Yurt If 90% of whites vote against Obama, are whites or those whites racist? | Not if they vote against him because they don't like his politics. If they vote against him simply because he is black, yes.
Of course, we already know which way that's going to get played. We got the sneak preview in the Dem Primary.
I wonder how many intimidation votes Obama gets for laying that bullshit, racist guilt trip on chickenshits more afraid of what may said of them than they are putting the wrong PERSON in the White House.
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06-11-2008, 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by GunnyL Not if they vote against him because they don't like his politics. If they vote against him simply because he is black, yes.
Of course, we already know which way that's going to get played. We got the sneak preview in the Dem Primary.
I wonder how many intimidation votes Obama gets for laying that bullshit, racist guilt trip on chickenshits more afraid of what may said of them than they are putting the wrong PERSON in the White House. | Tons of em----like a bunch of catholics dashing to the confession booth to be absolved.
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06-11-2008, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Yurt If 90% of whites vote against Obama, are whites or those whites racist? | Only if they vote on the basis of race. If they vote because they don't agree with him on issues then the Dem. will still call them all racists...so I guess either way, they'll be racist in someone's eyes...but mostly the ignorant.  | 
06-11-2008, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by dilloduck Tons of em----like a bunch of catholics dashing to the confession booth to be absolved. |
Spineless wimps. 
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06-12-2008, 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by GunnyL I wonder how many intimidation votes Obama gets for laying that bullshit, racist guilt trip on chickenshits more afraid of what may said of them than they are putting the wrong PERSON in the White House. | I don't recall Obama ever saying that votes cast against him are cast in racism.
Intimidation votes? Are you serious? Since caucuses usually involve rather ardent supporters, I would guess few. Since in the primaries, votes are cast anonymously, I would also guess there were rather few. | 
06-13-2008, 04:22 PM
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Totally different motivation than just plain spite.
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06-13-2008, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Gungnir Not if we vote against him to retain power for ourselves.
Totally different motivation than just plain spite. | What if everyone boycotted the election? Would that get a message across? Probably not, if I had a guess. The 10 people that would vote would be the "deciders" (Bushism) | 
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06-18-2008, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ReillyT I don't recall Obama ever saying that votes cast against him are cast in racism.
Intimidation votes? Are you serious? Since caucuses usually involve rather ardent supporters, I would guess few. Since in the primaries, votes are cast anonymously, I would also guess there were rather few. | Actually he has said that. He said, paraphrased: "...people will not vote for me because of my skin/race(I forget which one he said), but those people would not be voting democrat anyway"
He's a bit of a bigot, it seems. The leftist media lets him slide on all his crap, though, as always. | 
06-18-2008, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by GunnyL Not if they vote against him because they don't like his politics. If they vote against him simply because he is black, yes. | Exactly.
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06-18-2008, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by nomdeplume Actually he has said that. He said, paraphrased: "...people will not vote for me because of my skin/race(I forget which one he said), but those people would not be voting democrat anyway"
He's a bit of a bigot, it seems. The leftist media lets him slide on all his crap, though, as always. | First, you should probably provide a link.
Second, that is not the same as saying that votes cast against him are necessarily cast in racism. That is simply acknowledging the simple fact that some people will not vote for him because he is black, which is pretty clearly the case.
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Originally Posted by ReillyT First, you should probably provide a link.
| Pretty difficult to find one given, like I said, the media gives him a pass on everything. But, quite frankly, I don't give a shit if you believe me or not. That is what he said. Quote:
Originally Posted by ReillyT Second, that is not the same as saying that votes cast against him are necessarily cast in racism. That is simply acknowledging the simple fact that some people will not vote for him because he is black, which is pretty clearly the case. | How now brown cow? Would you mind sharing your definition of racism/racist? You seem to believe it something far removed from the current american vernacular.
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Yes, the all powerful media is hiding the truth from the American people, but you, of infinite wisdom and insight, can see all. [/quote]
Media specializes in hiding and/or distorting the truth. Where you been the last 500 years of western history? | 
06-18-2008, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by nomdeplume Pretty difficult to find one given, like I said, the media gives him a pass on everything. But, quite frankly, I don't give a shit if you believe me or not. That is what he said. | It wasn't an "I don't believe you" kind of thing although I do have my doubts. It is actually a rule of the board. Doesn't particularly bother me one way or another. Quote:
Originally Posted by nomdeplume How now brown cow? Would you mind sharing your definition of racism/racist? You seem to believe it something far removed from the current american vernacular. | "All people who don't for me are racist." This may or may not be true, and if not true, is at least a false generalization, if not racist.
"Some people who don't vote for me choose not to vote for me because I am black." This also may or may not be true (although in this case it is true). However, it is not a generalization at all, as it clearly distinguishes between similarly situated groups of people. If it is not based on a generalization, it also isn't racist, as racism is based on generalizations about groups of people based on race. All that beside the point of course, because it is clearly true.
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Originally Posted by nomdeplume Media specializes in hiding and/or distorting the truth. Where you been the last 500 years of western history? | Luckily, we have you here to see past their vicious lies and enlighten us to the truth.
By the way, that was sarcasm (don't know how bright you are yet, so I wanted to make sure you got the memo).
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06-18-2008, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ReillyT
"All people who don't for me are racist." This may or may not be true, and if not true, is at least a false generalization, if not racist.
"Some people who don't vote for me choose not to vote for me because I am black." This also may or may not be true (although in this case it is true). However, it is not a generalization at all, as it clearly distinguishes between similarly situated groups of people. If it is not based on a generalization, it also isn't racist, as racism is based on generalizations about groups of people based on race. All that beside the point of course, because it is clearly true.
Can't see the difference? | What I see is you failed to define your personal variation of "racism/racist". Quote:
Originally Posted by ReillyT Luckily, we have you here to see past their vicious lies and enlighten us to the truth.
By the way, that was sarcasm (don't know how bright you are yet, so I wanted to make sure you got the memo). |
Thanks for the hint. I think it was Twain who said something akin to "Believe nothing you read/hear, and only half of what you see."
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