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03-28-2008, 11:39 AM
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Rep Power: 65 | | | Racism - powerful piece of writing "But our collective indignation, no matter how loudly we announce it, cannot drown out the truth. And as much as white America may not be able to hear it (and as much as politics may require Obama to condemn it) let us be clear, Jeremiah Wright fundamentally told the truth."
Of National Lies and Racial America
By Tim Wise
"Whites are easily shocked by what we see and hear from Pastor Wright and Trinity Church, because what we see and hear so thoroughly challenges our understanding of who we are as a nation. But black people have never, for the most part, believed in the imagery of the "shining city on a hill," for they have never had the option of looking at their nation and ignoring the mountain-sized warts still dotting its face when it comes to race. Black people do not, in the main, get misty eyed at the sight of the flag the way white people do--and this is true even for millions of black veterans--for they understand that the nation for whom that flag waves is still not fully committed to their own equality. They have a harder time singing those tunes that white people seem so eager to belt out, like "God Bless America," for they know that whites sang those words loudly and proudly even as they were enforcing Jim Crow segregation, rioting against blacks who dared move into previously white neighborhoods, throwing rocks at Dr. King and then cheering, as so many did, when they heard the news that he had been assassinated.
Whites refuse to remember (or perhaps have never learned) that which black folks cannot afford to forget. I've seen white people stunned to the point of paralysis when they learn the truth about lynchings in this country--when they discover that such events were not just a couple of good old boys with a truck and a rope hauling some black guy out to the tree, hanging him, and letting him swing there. They were never told the truth: that lynchings were often community events, advertised in papers as "Negro Barbecues," involving hundreds or even thousands of whites, who would join in the fun, eat chicken salad and drink sweet tea, all while the black victims of their depravity were being hung, then shot, then burned, and then having their body parts cut off, to be handed out to onlookers. They are stunned to learn that postcards of the events were traded as souvenirs, and that very few whites, including members of their own families did or said anything to stop it." http://www.counterpunch.org/wise03182008.html |
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03-29-2008, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by midcan5 black people have never, for the most part, believed in the imagery of the "shining city on a hill," for they have never had the option of looking at their nation and ignoring the mountain-sized warts still dotting its face when it comes to race. Black people do not, in the main, get misty eyed at the sight of the flag the way white people do | Good.
This will make it less of a big deal when we pack their asses up and ship them back to Africa. We never should have dragged them over here to begin with. It's been nothing but one centuries-long disaster, and the only thing that will drown it out is that blacks are no longer the biggest non-white group in America -- Hispanics are.
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03-29-2008, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by midcan5 "But our collective indignation, no matter how loudly we announce it, cannot drown out the truth. And as much as white America may not be able to hear it (and as much as politics may require Obama to condemn it) let us be clear, Jeremiah Wright fundamentally told the truth."
Of National Lies and Racial America
By Tim Wise
"Whites are easily shocked by what we see and hear from Pastor Wright and Trinity Church, because what we see and hear so thoroughly challenges our understanding of who we are as a nation. But black people have never, for the most part, believed in the imagery of the "shining city on a hill," for they have never had the option of looking at their nation and ignoring the mountain-sized warts still dotting its face when it comes to race. Black people do not, in the main, get misty eyed at the sight of the flag the way white people do--and this is true even for millions of black veterans--for they understand that the nation for whom that flag waves is still not fully committed to their own equality. They have a harder time singing those tunes that white people seem so eager to belt out, like "God Bless America," for they know that whites sang those words loudly and proudly even as they were enforcing Jim Crow segregation, rioting against blacks who dared move into previously white neighborhoods, throwing rocks at Dr. King and then cheering, as so many did, when they heard the news that he had been assassinated.
Whites refuse to remember (or perhaps have never learned) that which black folks cannot afford to forget. I've seen white people stunned to the point of paralysis when they learn the truth about lynchings in this country--when they discover that such events were not just a couple of good old boys with a truck and a rope hauling some black guy out to the tree, hanging him, and letting him swing there. They were never told the truth: that lynchings were often community events, advertised in papers as "Negro Barbecues," involving hundreds or even thousands of whites, who would join in the fun, eat chicken salad and drink sweet tea, all while the black victims of their depravity were being hung, then shot, then burned, and then having their body parts cut off, to be handed out to onlookers. They are stunned to learn that postcards of the events were traded as souvenirs, and that very few whites, including members of their own families did or said anything to stop it." http://www.counterpunch.org/wise03182008.html | UH,UH....where's the part about "God damn America"?
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03-29-2008, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by jreeves UH,UH....where's the part about "God damn America"? | You know, when Rev. Wright said "God Damn America", he didn't really mean ALL of America.
He meant "Goddamn white America."
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03-30-2008, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by William Joyce Good.
This will make it less of a big deal when we pack their asses up and ship them back to Africa. We never should have dragged them over here to begin with. It's been nothing but one centuries-long disaster, and the only thing that will drown it out is that blacks are no longer the biggest non-white group in America -- Hispanics are. | LOL - damn, I'm half Hispanic bet you couldn't tell though. LOL
"Most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews." John Hagee
Damn, even my childhood religion gits accused of real bad stuff and dis too from McCain's minister he so proud dat endorsed him:
On Hurricane Katrina: “All hurricanes are acts of God, because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that… I believe that Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans.”
Damn, you think after god gets done with dem niggras he gonna up and decide dem hispanics aint too white either. Maybe eyes fool em though eyes real white. | 
03-30-2008, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by midcan5 LOL - damn, I'm half Hispanic bet you couldn't tell though. LOL
"Most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews." John Hagee
Damn, even my childhood religion gits accused of real bad stuff and dis too from McCain's minister he so proud dat endorsed him:
On Hurricane Katrina: “All hurricanes are acts of God, because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that… I believe that Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans.”
Damn, you think after god gets done with dem niggras he gonna up and decide dem hispanics aint too white either. Maybe eyes fool em though eyes real white. |
Now why do you start lying, Hagee, has never been MCcain's pastor. MCcain attends Phoenix Baptist church. That's the major difference.... 
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04-01-2008, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jreeves Now why do you start lying, Hagee, has never been MCcain's pastor. MCcain attends Phoenix Baptist church. That's the major difference....  | Merely semantics my good friend, throw dirt and dirt shall be thrown back. | 
04-02-2008, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by midcan5 Merely semantics my good friend, throw dirt and dirt shall be thrown back. | Lying is different than holding people responsible for their actions.
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