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09-10-2009, 01:34 PM
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Rep Power: 44 | | | Attention Boomers: Obama to Gut Medicare to pay for ObamaCare Folly Saying that he would not reduce services to senior citizens Medicare programs, Obama then went on to say he would. The double-minded, double-speaking man struck again Wednesday night to push his ObamaCare in a speech to both houses of Congress.
Obama said he would find $400 Billions in Medicare “waste and fraud” (others say it will be $600 Billions that will be stolen from Medicare and placed into ObamaCare). Suffice it to say, this is specious at best and a blatant and uncompromising lie at its worst—or actually at its center of truth.
If it were not a lie—and Obama knows without reservations that there are between $400-600 Billions of “fraud and waste” in Medicare—why not fix said problems now? And if he knew about them, why hasn’t Obama already assigned an ObamaCommittee to get to the bottom of this? Why does the gutting of Medicare (and it IS gutting folks) have to be tied to the funding of ObamaCare? Is this part of Obama’s Marxist “redistribution of wealth” where he will take from seniors and give to his favored? Another ObamaSpeech appears to bring another inevitable ObamaLie—or set of lies.
The truth is—if one has listened to Obama’s over 100 speeches addressing his pet Marxist-control-of-all-the-people project—that Obama fully intends to limit services to those over 55 years of age. Note: If ObamaScienceCzar Holdren has his way, the age requirement for rationing will most likely drop to 44. Obama to Gut Medicare to pay for ObamaCare Folly
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09-10-2009, 02:13 PM
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Rep Power: 44 | | Starting in 2011....there will be about 75 MILLION Boomers (those born 1946-1964) starting to enter Medicare....
...and Obama is gutting Medicare? ...doesn't make sense....
Is 1/4 of the population going to suffer because of this Marxist pig?
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09-10-2009, 02:17 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by ScreamingEagle Starting in 2011....there will be about 75 MILLION Boomers (those born 1946-1964) starting to enter Medicare....
...and Obama is gutting Medicare? ...doesn't make sense....
Is 1/4 of the population going to suffer because of this Marxist pig?  have you read the bill yet?
do so if you want the real info on obamacare
just sayin
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09-10-2009, 02:20 PM
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09-10-2009, 02:25 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by REVxERIK
Quote: Originally Posted by ScreamingEagle Starting in 2011....there will be about 75 MILLION Boomers (those born 1946-1964) starting to enter Medicare....
...and Obama is gutting Medicare? ...doesn't make sense....
Is 1/4 of the population going to suffer because of this Marxist pig?  have you read the bill yet?
do so if you want the real info on obamacare
just sayin Please point to the relevant part...
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09-10-2009, 02:27 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Political Junky He's cutting waste in Medicare, not denying treatment. I'll bet you believe in the tooth fairy too...
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09-10-2009, 02:44 PM
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Rep Power: 44 | | Here's some of the "waste and fraud" that Obama is targeting... Quote: This new bottom line for benefits, much lower than anything I ever had with my “employer-provided” insurance plans, will be this basic Medicare plan offered to all, served up with blarney that now all Americans have access to the same excellent Medicare that the elderly are so “happy” with. If that isn’t good enough for you, anyone who can afford it will be able to purchase additional coverage, at a much higher price than seniors now pay for the government-subsidized supplemental programs (sometimes called Medicare “Advantage”). According to repeated pronouncements by the President and Congress, these government-subsidized, supplemental programs (that seniors have depended upon to expand their Medicare benefits and make basic medical services affordable) will be eliminated. They constitute the “waste” in the system that the President and Congress repeatedly refer to. They also represent “chicken feed,” compared to the enormous profits the private sector is going to accumulate when we all have to purchase private health insurance policies.
This is what Grampy meant, when he protested that he did not want the government messing around with his Medicare. In spite of the chortling and demeaning commentary by noted liberals on NPR talk shows, Democracy Now, The DR show, and others, Grampy does know that the deduction he agreed the government should take directly from his monthly Social Security check is his premium payment for the government-run Medicare plan. He also knows he could never afford decent medical coverage if he did not make an additional monthly premium payment for the private supplemental (“Advantage”) program. Grampy knows that these supplemental programs that give him the “advantage” of being able to afford the basics of medical care, are on the chopping block and that their elimination (as Obama brags repeatedly) will play a major part in the cost-cutting needed to pay for the new health reform program.
Another cost-cutter Obama often cites is reduction in funding to those hospitals that provide services to the uninsured and poorest citizens. Cramer: Progressives Abet Obama-Fraud
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09-10-2009, 05:49 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by ScreamingEagle
Quote: Originally Posted by REVxERIK
Quote: Originally Posted by ScreamingEagle Starting in 2011....there will be about 75 MILLION Boomers (those born 1946-1964) starting to enter Medicare....
...and Obama is gutting Medicare? ...doesn't make sense....
Is 1/4 of the population going to suffer because of this Marxist pig?  have you read the bill yet?
do so if you want the real info on obamacare
just sayin Please point to the relevant part... the relevant part is go to the source of something before making a claim about it, as you are doing.
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09-10-2009, 06:00 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Political Junky He's cutting waste in Medicare, not denying treatment. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Ya.....cutting waste......wake up dude.
Not one single President since the inception of Medicare has done a goddam thing about the fraud waste and abuse in Medicare/Medicaid. Obama is talking out of his ass and we, the thinking American public, know it.
First the guy says he will eliminate Medicair alltogether...and then in his conman pitch to Congress last night he says he will strengthen Medicare!!!
What the fuck is this clown saying? Does anything he say have a snippet of truth at this point in regards to healthcare? NOPE!!!!! | 
09-10-2009, 06:03 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by REVxERIK
Quote: Originally Posted by ScreamingEagle
Quote: Originally Posted by REVxERIK
have you read the bill yet?
do so if you want the real info on obamacare
just sayin Please point to the relevant part... the relevant part is go to the source of something before making a claim about it, as you are doing. You mean just like Obama did? hahaha
Obama didn't even mention an investigative committee in his speech about finding HALF A TRILLION dollars in waste....what a farce...
....this is nothing more than political smoke and mirrors....
...the TRUTH is he's going to reduce your care when you hit Medicare age...or even before then...
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Quote: Originally Posted by Political Junky He's cutting waste in Medicare, not denying treatment. Government cutting waste ....... | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by REVxERIK
Quote: Originally Posted by ScreamingEagle Starting in 2011....there will be about 75 MILLION Boomers (those born 1946-1964) starting to enter Medicare....
...and Obama is gutting Medicare? ...doesn't make sense....
Is 1/4 of the population going to suffer because of this Marxist pig?  have you read the bill yet?
do so if you want the real info on obamacare
just sayin The real information is written in the middle of all the deception that is being used in the writing of the bill. Obama is not planning on giving Americans a chance. He is not an American, and is actually very unAmerican. He, if allowed to continue, will end America as we know it.
Yes, he will take medicare, if we let him. Yes he will take care from the elderly, if we let him/ I am relying on the republicans, the only ones who can see through Obama, to fight for what I voted them in for. I am sending them those messages, and I hope all True Americans are as well. Obama, you need to step down, and Give Americans their country back. Dems, you need to open your eyes.
Aerica, we need to get ready for a fight, there will be one. It will not be pretty.
Obama, if you are reading this, I am on God's side, you lose! I have seen no evidence that you and God are on the same page in any way. You better get there, or you will blase the USA off the map. If that is your intention, you will find opposition, and I will encourage it. | 
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Patricia Barry, AARP Bulletin Today President Obama again took his appeal for health care reform directly to the American people Tuesday, this time at a telephone town hall meeting at AARP’s Washington headquarters where he answered questions from older men and women concerned about how proposed changes to the current health system would affect them.
Barack ObamaBarack Obama “Nobody’s trying to change what does work in the system,” Obama told the estimated 180,000 listeners. “We are trying to change what doesn’t work in the system.”
In the face of growing public skepticism and congressional delay, the president used his 75-minute town hall to address the concerns of callers from across the country and to answer recurring questions— including the bizarre charge that every five years government bureaucrats would visit all older Americans to counsel them on ending their lives early. Will care be rationed? Is America heading toward socialized medicine and a system like Canada’s? Will Medicare benefits be cut?
“Nobody is talking about cutting Medicare benefits. I just want to make that absolutely clear,” he said emphatically. Seated on a stool in front of the small studio audience, Obama appeared relaxed and confident, sometimes using kitchen table analogies to explain knotty health care proposals and to untangle some of the myths now widely circulating on the Internet. Introducing Obama, AARP CEO A. Barry Rand said: “There’s a lot of misinformation about health care reform—even on what AARP stands for, and what AARP supports. This town hall is part of our ongoing effort to debunk myths and provide accurate information.” He added: “I want to make it clear that AARP has not endorsed any particular bill or any of the bills being debated in Congress today. We continue to work with members of Congress on both sides of the aisle and with the administration to achieve what is right for health care reform.” AARP president Jennie Chin Hansen also cited confusion expressed in questions that have come from thousands of members who have participated in previous AARP town halls. “Like, will the government tell my doctor how to practice medicine?”
Obama said he understands that overhauling the health care system is not easy. “I know there are folks who will oppose any kind of reform because they profit from the way the system is right now. They’ll run all sorts of ads that will make people scared.”
But, he added, this has all happened before. “Back when President Kennedy and then President Johnson were trying to pass Medicare, opponents claimed it was socialized medicine,” he said. “When you look at the Medicare debate, it is almost exactly the same as the debate we’re having right now. Everybody who was in favor of the status quo was trying to scare the American people saying that government is going to take over your health care, you won’t be able to choose your own doctor, they’re going to ration care.” Obama added: “You know what? Medicare has been extraordinarily popular. It has worked. It has made people a lot healthier, given them security. And we can do the same this time.” | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by driveby
Quote: Originally Posted by Political Junky He's cutting waste in Medicare, not denying treatment. Government cutting waste .......  This President was born in Hawaii,that's a fact.
You on the other hand are a clueless nut job. Keep screaming out this nonsense cause those smiles you see are people laughing at you moron.
Democrats ownthe house and senate and White house. They need nobody and will pass health care in a few weeks. | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by ScreamingEagle Saying that he would not reduce services to senior citizens Medicare programs, Obama then went on to say he would. The double-minded, double-speaking man struck again Wednesday night to push his ObamaCare in a speech to both houses of Congress.
Obama said he would find $400 Billions in Medicare “waste and fraud” (others say it will be $600 Billions that will be stolen from Medicare and placed into ObamaCare). Suffice it to say, this is specious at best and a blatant and uncompromising lie at its worst—or actually at its center of truth.
If it were not a lie—and Obama knows without reservations that there are between $400-600 Billions of “fraud and waste” in Medicare—why not fix said problems now? And if he knew about them, why hasn’t Obama already assigned an ObamaCommittee to get to the bottom of this? Why does the gutting of Medicare (and it IS gutting folks) have to be tied to the funding of ObamaCare? Is this part of Obama’s Marxist “redistribution of wealth” where he will take from seniors and give to his favored? Another ObamaSpeech appears to bring another inevitable ObamaLie—or set of lies.
The truth is—if one has listened to Obama’s over 100 speeches addressing his pet Marxist-control-of-all-the-people project—that Obama fully intends to limit services to those over 55 years of age. Note: If ObamaScienceCzar Holdren has his way, the age requirement for rationing will most likely drop to 44. Obama to Gut Medicare to pay for ObamaCare Folly If somehow the 'anti-government healthcare' folk come out on top, this will be their punishment. Got to wait for a change in command. One of the reasons Obama will be a one termer.
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