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08-27-2009, 04:09 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by toomuchtime_  If Democrats agree on a health care reform bill that is opposed by all Republicans in Congress, 24% of voters nationwide say the Democrats should pass that bill.
But a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 58% believe the Democrats should change the bill to win support from "a reasonable number of Republicans." Nineteen percent (19%) are not sure what congressional Democrats should do.
Republican voters overwhelmingly think the bill should be changed, and so do 62% of those not affiliated with either major political party.
However, Democrats are more conflicted. Forty-one percent (41%) of those in the president’s party believe their legislators should pass the bill without any GOP votes, while 34% disagree and think the legislation should be changed to attract Republican support.
Most liberal voters (52%) say that Democrats should pass the legislation without the Republicans. Most moderates (55%) disagree.
In its question, Rasmussen Reports did not quantify what constitutes "a reasonable number" of Republican votes. 24% Say Democrats Should Pass Health Care Reform Without GOP Votes - Rasmussen Reports™ If they do, they can be guaranteed a pick slip the next time they are up for re-election.  |
08-27-2009, 04:14 PM
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by Glenn Greenwald Link Excerpt: The prevailing Beltway wisdom has now ossified that the problem with the health care debate is that those hardened Leftist ideologues cling childishly and petulantly to their little "public option" fetish and their refusal to give it up is jeopardizing enactment of a reform bill. As always, the obedient servitude of Blue Dogs and "centrists" to the industries that own Congress aren't obstructionist at all. Somehow, the refusal of Blue Dogs to vote for a plan with a "public option" isn't impeding anything; there's no reason they should give anything up, because they're just being moderate and "centrist." As always, the way things should be done in Washington is that the proper scorn should be heaped on The Left until they're bullied into giving up what they believe so that Things Can Get Done (i.e., so that corporate dictates can be fulfilled). |
08-27-2009, 04:16 PM
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Rep Power: 16 | |  "Yes, we know that you are a nice man, that you want to work with the opposite side of the aisle. But there comes a time when you need to drop that and move forward. We're saying to you, 'Be tough. Use everything that you've got. Do what you have to do. And we have your back.'" -- Maxine Waters, trying to shake Obama out of his naive fog, Link |
08-27-2009, 04:26 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jay Canuck "Yes, we know that you are a nice man, that you want to work with the opposite side of the aisle. But there comes a time when you need to drop that and move forward. We're saying to you, 'Be tough. Use everything that you've got. Do what you have to do. And we have your back.'" -- Maxine Waters, trying to shake Obama out of his naive fog, Link look up HR3400 if you think the GOP doesnt have an alternative plan
but it figures leftwingnuts will still continue to say there isnt one |
08-27-2009, 04:29 PM
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Rep Power: 142 | | | The sticking point is the public option. Repubs wont vote for any bill that includes it; Pelosi says the House won't vote for any bill without. The Blue Dog Dems will be the deciders. Obamas only interest in bipartsianship comes from the fact that many of his teammates are up for re-election in 2010 and their constituents want a bipartisan bill. Lieberman has suggested doing it in pieces I think that's an excellent idea..
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08-27-2009, 04:32 PM
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Rep Power: 16 | | | HR3400?....what is that - window dressing?.... the GOP had 8 years to do something about Healthcare reform but did fuck all. |
08-27-2009, 04:58 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jay Canuck HR3400?....what is that - window dressing?.... the GOP had 8 years to do something about Healthcare reform but did fuck all. not with the dem party of no
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08-27-2009, 05:21 PM
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Rep Power: 72 | | | Look...Bottom line....Republicans won't vote for any healthcare plan.....PERIOD
If they wanted healthcare, they had eight years to put in their version of healthcare. They decided to do nothing.
Screw them and pass what you think is right
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08-27-2009, 05:49 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by rightwinger Look...Bottom line....Republicans won't vote for any healthcare plan.....PERIOD
If they wanted healthcare, they had eight years to put in their version of healthcare. They decided to do nothing.
Screw them and pass what you think is right again, not with the dems voting no on everything |
08-27-2009, 05:53 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by DiveCon
Quote: Originally Posted by Jay Canuck "Yes, we know that you are a nice man, that you want to work with the opposite side of the aisle. But there comes a time when you need to drop that and move forward. We're saying to you, 'Be tough. Use everything that you've got. Do what you have to do. And we have your back.'" -- Maxine Waters, trying to shake Obama out of his naive fog, Link look up HR3400 if you think the GOP doesnt have an alternative plan
but it figures leftwingnuts will still continue to say there isnt one Please post a link to HR 3400; the bill, not the talking points. |
08-27-2009, 05:56 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by jillian
Quote: Originally Posted by elvis3577 I keep asking this and can't seem to get an answer. What is Obama waiting for? He doesn't need republican support. Could it be a few dems won't support it? no. it's that he has this warped idea that he can play nice with schoolyard bullies and be "bi-partisan". I used to think so, too.
i think it's time he dissuades himself of that fallacy. I don't think it's anything as altruistic as you describe.
It's nothing more than political cover-your-ass.
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08-27-2009, 05:57 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Wry Catcher
Quote: Originally Posted by DiveCon
Quote: Originally Posted by Jay Canuck "Yes, we know that you are a nice man, that you want to work with the opposite side of the aisle. But there comes a time when you need to drop that and move forward. We're saying to you, 'Be tough. Use everything that you've got. Do what you have to do. And we have your back.'" -- Maxine Waters, trying to shake Obama out of his naive fog, Link look up HR3400 if you think the GOP doesnt have an alternative plan
but it figures leftwingnuts will still continue to say there isnt one Please post a link to HR 3400; the bill, not the talking points. its been postewd on here several time
pymlico_pilgram even made a thread on it
but if you give me some time i'll look it up one more time |
08-27-2009, 06:00 PM
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Rep Power: 400 | | | Obama turned the health care over to Pelosi and Reid. He got what he got. Now he needs to say, "Whoa, we need to reevaluate or we need to back it, in spite of the majority of citizens." His call and votes will follow with the decisions reached by Congress. It's what leaders do, when they've fucked up.
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08-27-2009, 06:02 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by toomuchtime_ If Democrats agree on a health care reform bill that is opposed by all Republicans in Congress, 24% of voters nationwide say the Democrats should pass that bill.
But a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 58% believe the Democrats should change the bill to win support from "a reasonable number of Republicans." Nineteen percent (19%) are not sure what congressional Democrats should do.
Republican voters overwhelmingly think the bill should be changed, and so do 62% of those not affiliated with either major political party.
However, Democrats are more conflicted. Forty-one percent (41%) of those in the president’s party believe their legislators should pass the bill without any GOP votes, while 34% disagree and think the legislation should be changed to attract Republican support.
Most liberal voters (52%) say that Democrats should pass the legislation without the Republicans. Most moderates (55%) disagree.
In its question, Rasmussen Reports did not quantify what constitutes "a reasonable number" of Republican votes. 24% Say Democrats Should Pass Health Care Reform Without GOP Votes - Rasmussen Reports™ It can't pass because democrats are stopping it. blue dog democrats hold up health care reform - Google Search
The reason they are stopping it is because they want to get re-elected. their constituents don't want it. |
08-27-2009, 06:06 PM
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Rep Power: 140 | | | I think the OP needs a little more critical thinking attached to it...
24% want the bill passed without Republican support. OK
That means that 76% want a bill that at least a handful of Republicans support or are unsure one way or the other.
I may disagree with many of Obama's policies, but the man ain't stupid. 76% want bipartisan support. If he wants to keep his approval ratings on the sunny side of the divide and have a shot at re-election.
Obama wants political cover. Plain and simple. Can't blame the man either. It's only smart politics.
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