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07-22-2009, 10:44 AM
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Rep Power: 2 | | | Doesn't matter that he's not president anymore, it's a quote. What you can't quote people that aren't president anymore?
I don't think your other statement is true either. All the polls in 2008 before Ohio said Clinton would be the nominee, and we all know what happened. | 
07-22-2009, 10:46 AM
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07-22-2009, 10:46 AM
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07-22-2009, 10:49 AM
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Rep Power: 236 | | Quote: Just because you guys are freaking out, doesn't mean we have to get sucked into it.
A. You are wrong
B. You are liars
C. You act like you won just because you say you won
D. We knew it would be hard
E. No one likes the GOP. They might be frustrated with Obama, but we all still hate the GOP.
F. This all proves the GOP and the media are corrupt.
G. Also proves that corporations/lobbyists control what goes on in Washington.
PS. Just think about this. 8 years ago today, Bush was on vacation and the 9-11 hijackers were less than 2 months from attacking us. People were warning Bush but bush had too much on his plate. So give Obama a break. He's got a lot more on his plate.
Anyways, you should vote for him if he doesn't fix healthcare because you don't want reform, remember? And you love the wars, and the economy is fine with you, remember? I love the way liberals toss their arguments around with authority! What I really like is when you get them backed up to a wall with reality, they hump their backs up like a cat and show their claws. They also hiss alot... What amazes me though, is Bush has been out of office for 6 months now. He's still blamed for everything. When does Obama start taking responsibility for his own stupidity? Can't wait for the next election cycle to get here. I'm sure all of those unemployed people won't have anything better to do than go vote. Wonder just who they will vote for? Betcha it isn't a Democrat.
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07-22-2009, 10:51 AM
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Guess what, it didn't work in the election, get a new one. What about Obama isn't eligible? | 
07-22-2009, 10:55 AM
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Rep Power: 251 | | He (President Obama) had a secret meeting with the non-partisan, independant, CBO today to tell them to STFU about how expensive his plans are really becoming and just how much debt they will strap our children with, IMO. Hot Air » Blog Archive » Why did Obama meet with the CBO?
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07-22-2009, 11:03 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Big Black Dog Quote: Just because you guys are freaking out, doesn't mean we have to get sucked into it.
A. You are wrong
B. You are liars
C. You act like you won just because you say you won
D. We knew it would be hard
E. No one likes the GOP. They might be frustrated with Obama, but we all still hate the GOP.
F. This all proves the GOP and the media are corrupt.
G. Also proves that corporations/lobbyists control what goes on in Washington.
PS. Just think about this. 8 years ago today, Bush was on vacation and the 9-11 hijackers were less than 2 months from attacking us. People were warning Bush but bush had too much on his plate. So give Obama a break. He's got a lot more on his plate.
Anyways, you should vote for him if he doesn't fix healthcare because you don't want reform, remember? And you love the wars, and the economy is fine with you, remember? I love the way liberals toss their arguments around with authority! What I really like is when you get them backed up to a wall with reality, they hump their backs up like a cat and show their claws. They also hiss alot... What amazes me though, is Bush has been out of office for 6 months now. He's still blamed for everything. When does Obama start taking responsibility for his own stupidity? Can't wait for the next election cycle to get here. I'm sure all of those unemployed people won't have anything better to do than go vote. Wonder just who they will vote for? Betcha it isn't a Democrat. Betcha it will be. Betcha we pick up more seats in 2010 too.
Sure it won't be an ass whoopin like 2008 was, but Obama will still win in 2012. Who you gonna run? First you gotta run someone buddy. Take a look at your GOP leaders popularity. Its worse than the Dems. Boehner is at 15% and he's your leader!!! We are getting shut out yes, but your team isn't even in the game.
Yea, none of what America is going thru has anything to do with the last 8 years.
6 months in is not long enough. Willow wanted Obama to "be responsible" for all this shit on day 1.
PS. We are upset with the Dems, true. But why? Not because they are socialists, but because they are acting just like Republicans. Or they keep saying why they can't get things passed. Have you forgotten that your party didn't fix healthcare when they were in charge? Or end the war? Or fix the economy? Actually, they created all these problems.
Remember you bitches said 9-11 wasn't Bush's fault because he was only in office for 9 months?
Yea, Obama is a guaranteed 2 term president. 2012 is too soon to forget who's to blame. And yes, Obama will be spending all 4 years cleaning up Bush's mess and undoing what the Tom Delay GOP did from 2000-2006.
The American people are also upset because the stimulis hasn't done much. Well only 10% of it has been spent. The economy will be just fine by 2011. So you are fucked.
Don't act like you are winning, in control, right, smart, etc. You are none of these things. We told you the GOP sucked from 2000-2008 and you denied it. Then you lost the 06 and 08 elections. Now we are going to get America out of the mess you guys got us in. You'll fight us every step of the way, and you do have the media and corporations and bankers working with you, but we have a 60 seat majority which means we have a lot of options.
You only have a few. Lie and obstruct. | 
07-22-2009, 11:05 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Alan Partridge I didn't support Obama, yet I am on the left side of the fence.
I didn't apprecieate the fact that normal people I agree with politically were swooning over one god dang word "change". Fucking sheeple. Just because something is new, doesn't mean it's good. The argument that dems only voted for him because they wanted to say they voted for the first black president, is a good one, I personally know some non-political types who did that. Fucking idiots, don't vote, if all you want is to sound great to your grandkids.
But what I find more humourous are you folks, going bat shit over Obama's failures when he's been in office 6 months. It's going to be at least another 3.5 years, shouldn't you guys pace yourselves, or you're going to hurt yourselves. Yup. At this point in time, Clinton's approval rating was in the 30's. By the time he left office, in spite of the sex scandal, he was polling in the 60's.
If health care reform dies on the vine, at least this time the vine itself won't die. There's too much at stake, there are too many average citizens who are FINALLY educating themselves on both sides of the health issue for it to end the way it did in 1993. I almost wish it could be back-burnered so that the administration can move on with other important things.
All that said, there's no way in hell any of the die-hard Obama-haters-no-matter-what will ever approve of a single thing he says or does. So there's really no point in wasting MY time on tit-for-tats with the usuals here. I'll discuss the merits of an issue, period. | 
07-22-2009, 11:06 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Dude
Quote: Originally Posted by Alan Partridge which polls?
"Polls don't matter"- George W Bush 1) The Shrub isn't prez anymore.
2) Democratics live and die by polls. Sinatra is a Democrat? | 
07-22-2009, 11:09 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Sinatra Obama is failing. On health care, yes, for now. Overall? No, he's not.
ALL THE POLLS: Obama: Job Ratings (1) | 
07-22-2009, 11:11 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Big Black Dog Quote: Just because you guys are freaking out, doesn't mean we have to get sucked into it.
A. You are wrong
B. You are liars
C. You act like you won just because you say you won
D. We knew it would be hard
E. No one likes the GOP. They might be frustrated with Obama, but we all still hate the GOP.
F. This all proves the GOP and the media are corrupt.
G. Also proves that corporations/lobbyists control what goes on in Washington.
PS. Just think about this. 8 years ago today, Bush was on vacation and the 9-11 hijackers were less than 2 months from attacking us. People were warning Bush but bush had too much on his plate. So give Obama a break. He's got a lot more on his plate.
Anyways, you should vote for him if he doesn't fix healthcare because you don't want reform, remember? And you love the wars, and the economy is fine with you, remember? I love the way liberals toss their arguments around with authority! What I really like is when you get them backed up to a wall with reality, they hump their backs up like a cat and show their claws. They also hiss alot... What amazes me though, is Bush has been out of office for 6 months now. He's still blamed for everything. When does Obama start taking responsibility for his own stupidity? Can't wait for the next election cycle to get here. I'm sure all of those unemployed people won't have anything better to do than go vote. Wonder just who they will vote for? Betcha it isn't a Democrat.  With unemployment benefits extended over loud Republican objections, I seriously doubt they'll be voting Republican. Try again. | 
07-22-2009, 11:13 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by MaggieMae
Quote: Originally Posted by Alan Partridge I didn't support Obama, yet I am on the left side of the fence.
I didn't apprecieate the fact that normal people I agree with politically were swooning over one god dang word "change". Fucking sheeple. Just because something is new, doesn't mean it's good. The argument that dems only voted for him because they wanted to say they voted for the first black president, is a good one, I personally know some non-political types who did that. Fucking idiots, don't vote, if all you want is to sound great to your grandkids.
But what I find more humourous are you folks, going bat shit over Obama's failures when he's been in office 6 months. It's going to be at least another 3.5 years, shouldn't you guys pace yourselves, or you're going to hurt yourselves. Yup. At this point in time, Clinton's approval rating was in the 30's. By the time he left office, in spite of the sex scandal, he was polling in the 60's.
If health care reform dies on the vine, at least this time the vine itself won't die. There's too much at stake, there are too many average citizens who are FINALLY educating themselves on both sides of the health issue for it to end the way it did in 1993. I almost wish it could be back-burnered so that the administration can move on with other important things.
All that said, there's no way in hell any of the die-hard Obama-haters-no-matter-what will ever approve of a single thing he says or does. So there's really no point in wasting MY time on tit-for-tats with the usuals here. I'll discuss the merits of an issue, period. And I'll be honest. I am worried about the "compromise" they will come up with. I don't want a compromise. I/We want a strong public option.
But what will happen is we will compromise on a half ass solution where the insurance providers get to write the policies.
And I just love that any of us that are against the status quo are called socialists. So when we try to get the politicians to deal with corporations that are gouging us, the corporate media/lobbyists/Republicans call us socialists.
Ok fine, lets just continue letting lobbyists donate to our politicians to get them to go against what we want. That makes sense. | 
07-22-2009, 11:16 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Alan Partridge I love the way conservatives rally around a single talking point, that Obama is a socialist.
Guess what, it didn't work in the election, get a new one. What about Obama isn't eligible?  Maybe no one believed he was a socialist before he was elected. He is proving just who he really is. There are only 21% who believe they are liberals in this country. He might be a tough sell in the next election.
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07-22-2009, 11:16 AM
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07-22-2009, 11:20 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Alan Partridge I didn't support Obama, yet I am on the left side of the fence.
I didn't apprecieate the fact that normal people I agree with politically were swooning over one god dang word "change". Fucking sheeple. Just because something is new, doesn't mean it's good. The argument that dems only voted for him because they wanted to say they voted for the first black president, is a good one, I personally know some non-political types who did that. Fucking idiots, don't vote, if all you want is to sound great to your grandkids.
But what I find more humourous are you folks, going bat shit over Obama's failures when he's been in office 6 months. It's going to be at least another 3.5 years, shouldn't you guys pace yourselves, or you're going to hurt yourselves. Be honest....you didn't support him because you can't even vote in this country. |  | |
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