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Rep Power: 180 | | Well no wonder you're going to have results like those when you have stuff like this: Quote: Seventy percent (70%) view the President as politically liberal, including 43% who say he is Very Liberal. The guy's not even Liberal, never mind Very Liberal.
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Quote: Originally Posted by eagleseven That has always been the trouble with popularity...do you poll only likely voters, or do you poll everyone?
By polling only likely voters, you are polling the people most up on current events and politics.
By polling everyone, you are including people who don't know a thing about politics and make their judgments on vanity or a whim. Sound like the elections that got the asshole where he is.
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Quote: Originally Posted by JBeukema an uninformed populace would vote themselves into slavery, a wise man once said And you dumb fuckers damn near did with Bush. | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by DiveCon
Quote: Originally Posted by Old Rocks
Quote: Originally Posted by Big Black Dog If you poll only the Democrats, his popularity would be about 95%. If you poll just the Republicians his rating would be only about 5%. So, if you add the 95% and the 5% together you will get 100%. If you divide that by 2 (2 groups polled) you will come up with an average of 50%. So, according to the BBD Political Poll, Obama is right at 50% which translates as being a "Half-Assed" President. Except, of course, that finding people that identify themselves as Republicans is getting to be increasingly difficult. same as it will get for democrats in a few years
LOL i hope Obama made his stickers EXTRA sticky and hard to get off  Good one!
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Quote: Originally Posted by Old Rocks
Quote: Originally Posted by JBeukema an uninformed populace would vote themselves into slavery, a wise man once said And you dumb fuckers damn near did with Bush. yeah we almost did, you stupid fuck. | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by American Horse
Quote: Originally Posted by MaggieMae How come the cons only look at Rasmussen reports? There are hundreds here: Obama Administation Maggie, you'd better bet that when Ds want accurate polls they check out Rasmussen. Rasmussen is not a Republican. No pollster can remain as a pollster by skewing their results, because to do so hurts everyone, themselves, and their customers on either side who need information, and not really providing any real knowledge.
Rasmussen's Presidential Tracking Poll provides the most useful information, and is unique, because it contests those who feel strongly either way to derive an index:
With 29% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approving of the way that Barack Obama is performing, and 35% Strongly Disapproving Obama has an Approval Index rating of –6
The significance of this poll derives from it's simplicity; polling either strong approval or strong disapproval. All those who aren't paying much attention, are left out because they are presently ambivalent. Eventually they will break one way or the other. The reason Rasmussen isn't taken sriously is because they use computer automated dialing, whereas most of the others use demographic information, i.e., voter registration records.
I'm not saying they make things up, but their methodology has always been almost too simplistic. Rasmussen also always seems to come in AFTER other polls on a similar subject have posted THEIR results, almost as if they're polling in order to present a challenge to their competition. Which isn't what polling should be all about.
All that said, the fact that Obama's numbers are falling isn't the least bit surprising to me. He was elected following a hard-hitting campaign by both Republicans and the Clintons; he entered office only to immediately be emersed neck deep in a national, then global, economic struggle; all the while trying to fulfill campaign pledges PROMISED to his base of supporters, the biggest being health care which would have been a rough road in any event. | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by ozzmdj Yep - his negatives went from -7 to -5 in a single day; strong disapprove went from 37% to 34% in a single day.
Do you think the trend will hold up? He'll be in positive numbers again by thje weekend! | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by MaggieMae
Quote: Originally Posted by American Horse
Quote: Originally Posted by MaggieMae How come the cons only look at Rasmussen reports? There are hundreds here: Obama Administation Maggie, you'd better bet that when Ds want accurate polls they check out Rasmussen. Rasmussen is not a Republican. No pollster can remain as a pollster by skewing their results, because to do so hurts everyone, themselves, and their customers on either side who need information, and not really providing any real knowledge.
Rasmussen's Presidential Tracking Poll provides the most useful information, and is unique, because it contests those who feel strongly either way to derive an index:
With 29% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approving of the way that Barack Obama is performing, and 35% Strongly Disapproving Obama has an Approval Index rating of –6
The significance of this poll derives from it's simplicity; polling either strong approval or strong disapproval. All those who aren't paying much attention, are left out because they are presently ambivalent. Eventually they will break one way or the other. The reason Rasmussen isn't taken sriously is because they use computer automated dialing, whereas most of the others use demographic information, i.e., voter registration records.
I'm not saying they make things up, but their methodology has always been almost too simplistic. Rasmussen also always seems to come in AFTER other polls on a similar subject have posted THEIR results, almost as if they're polling in order to present a challenge to their competition. Which isn't what polling should be all about.
All that said, the fact that Obama's numbers are falling isn't the least bit surprising to me. He was elected following a hard-hitting campaign by both Republicans and the Clintons; he entered office only to immediately be emersed neck deep in a national, then global, economic struggle; all the while trying to fulfill campaign pledges PROMISED to his base of supporters, the biggest being health care which would have been a rough road in any event. yet he always manages to be one of the closest to the actual results of an election, imagine that | 
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Rep Power: 28 | | | Here's one from Gallup. Where's all that hope and change???? At least some of the conservative dems are backing away from him, maybe they can stop the national take over of our health insurance and slam the breaks on that stupid cap and trade. The smartest thing for him to do would be to rescind what's left of the no-stimulus stimulus bill and pay down the debt that he's run up. This is what happens when you elect the most far left leaning senator in the senate as President. I can't help myself, " I told you so."
Gallup Poll: Obama's Approval Plummets
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A USA Today/Gallup Poll out Tuesday morning delivers some bad news for Barack Obama.
Here are the key finding of the national poll:
By 49%-47%, those surveyed disapprove of how he is handling the economy, a turnaround from his 55%-42% approval in May. The steepest drop came from conservative and moderate Democrats.
By 50%-44%, they disapprove of how he is handling healthcare policy.
A 59% majority say his proposals call for too much government spending, and 52% say they call for too much expansion of government power.
Expectations of the economy's turnaround are souring a bit. In February, the average prediction for a recovery was 4.1 years; now it's 5.5 years.
The USA Today/Gallup Poll is sure undermine the President's position as he pushes for his ambitious universal healthcare plan.
"His ratings have certainly come back down to Earth in a very short time period," Republican pollster Whit Ayres told USA Today.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Maple Where's all that hope and change???? At least some of the conservative dems are backing away from him, maybe they can stop the national take over of our health insurance and slam the breaks on that stupid cap and trade. The smartest thing for him to do would be to rescind what's left of the no-stimulus stimulus bill and pay down the debt that he's run up. This is what happens when you elect the most far left leaning senator in the senate as President. I can't help myself, " I told you so."
Gallup Poll: Obama's Approval Plummets
Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:31 AM
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A USA Today/Gallup Poll out Tuesday morning delivers some bad news for Barack Obama.
Here are the key finding of the national poll:
By 49%-47%, those surveyed disapprove of how he is handling the economy, a turnaround from his 55%-42% approval in May. The steepest drop came from conservative and moderate Democrats.
By 50%-44%, they disapprove of how he is handling healthcare policy.
A 59% majority say his proposals call for too much government spending, and 52% say they call for too much expansion of government power.
Expectations of the economy's turnaround are souring a bit. In February, the average prediction for a recovery was 4.1 years; now it's 5.5 years.
The USA Today/Gallup Poll is sure undermine the President's position as he pushes for his ambitious universal healthcare plan.
"His ratings have certainly come back down to Earth in a very short time period," Republican pollster Whit Ayres told USA Today.
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Rep Power: 28 | | | Oh now Sealy bobo, I know I hit a nerve with that polling data and did you happen to notice that the economy is predicted NOT to recover for 5 1/2 years. What's that mean for your rock star???? Not good, because people vote their wallets and he has only 3 1/2 years to go.
You dems have the total power in the house, the senate and the presidency, you could impose your will on all of us Americans who you think are soooooooo stupid that we will be lead like sheep to the slaughter. I just do not understand why you are soooooooooo upset. This is what YOU wanted and you GOT it, you VOTED for it.
Sometimes you need to be careful what you wish for, because wishes sometimes do come true.
Did also notice that the steepest drop came from moderate and conservative DEMOCRATS???? who you blaming here. me, I am just the messenger, that's the gallup polling data.
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Quote: Originally Posted by DiveCon
Quote: Originally Posted by MaggieMae
Quote: Originally Posted by American Horse
Maggie, you'd better bet that when Ds want accurate polls they check out Rasmussen. Rasmussen is not a Republican. No pollster can remain as a pollster by skewing their results, because to do so hurts everyone, themselves, and their customers on either side who need information, and not really providing any real knowledge.
Rasmussen's Presidential Tracking Poll provides the most useful information, and is unique, because it contests those who feel strongly either way to derive an index:
With 29% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approving of the way that Barack Obama is performing, and 35% Strongly Disapproving Obama has an Approval Index rating of –6
The significance of this poll derives from it's simplicity; polling either strong approval or strong disapproval. All those who aren't paying much attention, are left out because they are presently ambivalent. Eventually they will break one way or the other. The reason Rasmussen isn't taken sriously is because they use computer automated dialing, whereas most of the others use demographic information, i.e., voter registration records.
I'm not saying they make things up, but their methodology has always been almost too simplistic. Rasmussen also always seems to come in AFTER other polls on a similar subject have posted THEIR results, almost as if they're polling in order to present a challenge to their competition. Which isn't what polling should be all about.
All that said, the fact that Obama's numbers are falling isn't the least bit surprising to me. He was elected following a hard-hitting campaign by both Republicans and the Clintons; he entered office only to immediately be emersed neck deep in a national, then global, economic struggle; all the while trying to fulfill campaign pledges PROMISED to his base of supporters, the biggest being health care which would have been a rough road in any event. yet he always manages to be one of the closest to the actual results of an election, imagine that  Huh?
Here's all the polls, including the spreads, up to and including election day. Drop down to November 3. Yep, Rasmussen/Fox, off the mark. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...lls/index.html
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