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08-23-2009, 10:34 PM
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Obama is at 55.8% RCP average. That is a significant slip for RCP.
Obama is becoming very vulnerable...
That's just about the same approval rating that Bush Jr. had, at this point in his presidency. Obama won't be "vulnerable" until there's an election that he could lose - and that's 3 years from now. um, is comparing him to Bush really a GOOD thing?
i mean if that is your standard, you are setting it rather low Definitely not comparing him to Bush. I'm just pointing out the meaninglessness of any polling done right now, in reference to some imaginary "trend". There's no such thing as a trend this far out from the next election.
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Quote: Originally Posted by va84 Doesen't really make any difference what poll you look at Obama going down in flames Ronald Reagan fell under 50% in the first quarter of 82 and stayed there until early 84.
President Mondale often attributed that to his win in 84.  And I remember this guy named Clinton who, despite taking a hit in his approval ratings early on, finished two terms and was pretty popular at the end. What happened to Clinton's Dem. majority in Congress in the mid term elections?
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Ronald Reagan fell under 50% in the first quarter of 82 and stayed there until early 84.
President Mondale often attributed that to his win in 84. And I remember this guy named Clinton who, despite taking a hit in his approval ratings early on, finished two terms and was pretty popular at the end. What happened to Clinton's Dem. majority in Congress in the mid term elections? oops
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Ronald Reagan fell under 50% in the first quarter of 82 and stayed there until early 84.
President Mondale often attributed that to his win in 84. And I remember this guy named Clinton who, despite taking a hit in his approval ratings early on, finished two terms and was pretty popular at the end. What happened to Clinton's Dem. majority in Congress in the mid term elections? That did suck, but Clinton kept on being POTUS for 6 more years while his popularity grew despite that . At least it was nice to see the GOoPers gnashing their teeth cuz I knew it pissed them off.  |
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He has even dipped under 50% total approval now 
The american people are telling you something Mr President, I think the majority of us are telling you to cut the crap with you're giant govt program proposals and start getting down to dealing with the current issues that congress created for us all instead of giving them even more problems to create.
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Quote: Originally Posted by ozzmdj Do you think they aren't an outlier? With that response, I can't tell.
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Quote: Originally Posted by ozzmdj Do you think they aren't an outlier? With that response, I can't tell. They may be an outlier but they are consitent. So the trends they show are accuruate even if the numbers are "lower/Higher" based on their "outlier" status.
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And I remember this guy named Clinton who, despite taking a hit in his approval ratings early on, finished two terms and was pretty popular at the end.
What happened to Clinton's Dem. majority in Congress in the mid term elections? That did suck, but Clinton kept on being POTUS for 6 more years while his popularity grew despite that . At least it was nice to see the GOoPers gnashing their teeth cuz I knew it pissed them off. No not really, I wouldn't think having control of Congress is more important, policy-wise.
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Quote: Originally Posted by EriktheRed
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And I remember this guy named Clinton who, despite taking a hit in his approval ratings early on, finished two terms and was pretty popular at the end.
What happened to Clinton's Dem. majority in Congress in the mid term elections? That did suck, but Clinton kept on being POTUS for 6 more years while his popularity grew despite that . At least it was nice to see the GOoPers gnashing their teeth cuz I knew it pissed them off.
In spite of the rantings of the talk show wags, though, Clinton was financially more conservative than was Bush.
The reality of politics is this: Social conservatism or liberalism doesn't make a rats pituuti's difference in how a President affects my life. Fiscal liberalism or conservatism makes a big difference.
Clinton was a fiscal conservative. Bush was a fiscal liberal. Obama is a Socialist.
What made Clinton's Presidency work from a strictly political view point was that he could appear to be saving the world from Newt while at the same time excercising fiscal restraint. Since most of the liberal community requires no more than words to be satisfied, they were.
Of course having the biggest peace time economic boom since the 20's didn't hurt either.
Evidence of what I'm saying? Clinton had the surplus and determined that it should be used to buy down the debt. This is a Conservative principle. Bush gave it away. Liberalism to populism. Obama, seeing that astronomically high deficits are stretching well into the future is trying to double them. This is just nuts.
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That's just about the same approval rating that Bush Jr. had, at this point in his presidency. Obama won't be "vulnerable" until there's an election that he could lose - and that's 3 years from now.
um, is comparing him to Bush really a GOOD thing?
i mean if that is your standard, you are setting it rather low Definitely not comparing him to Bush. I'm just pointing out the meaninglessness of any polling done right now, in reference to some imaginary "trend". There's no such thing as a trend this far out from the next election. 
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