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06-18-2009, 12:12 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Midnight Marauder
Quote: Originally Posted by jillian
Quote: Originally Posted by Midnight Marauder Yes, it does matter. The POTUS cannot remove these IGs until after the 30 days has expired. The law is clear, counselor.
And as to the smears Obama has put out on Walprin being "confused" and maybe even senile? No dice, he passed the test on that just yesterday.
And even if so, Jillian, he now has a ADA claim does he not? Yes, he does. I see a lot of assertions from you without any evidence. I'm afraid I can't offer any opinions without that. I'm kind of funny that way.
As for an ADA claim, how do you figure? First off, I posted the LAW earlier. The one that spells it out clearly, these IGs cannot be removed until AFTER the 30-day notice has expired.
Under the Americans with Disabilities act, dementia and senility -- and even AGE -- are protected. The employer is required to attempt to make accommodations. This applies to the hiring process as well as to the termination process.
Here's an account of the firing, from Walprin himself: Gerald Walpin speaks: The inside story of the AmeriCorps firing | Washington Examiner
Here's Hot Air's take on the test, not that you'll read it or watch the video: Hot Air » Blog Archive » Sweet: Glenn Beck gives Gerald Walpin a senility test
I know none of you Obamaphiles really care what Obama does. That's a given. But my own optimism of the human being allows me to at least try to get your brain cells working again. Because I am optimistic that you still have them, somewhere in the foggy haze of Obama cult worship. How stupid. I don't suppose it occurred to Glenn Beck that Mr. Walpin might have been SOBER when he took the silly test, and a little tipsy during meetings. He wanted to work from home? Hmmm... Why? Does Beck even remember that he once didn't know the time of day?
Here's another news flash: Early Alzheimers patients would also be able to pass such a childish test.
There's more to this story than meets the eye[balls] of Glenn Beck and the other foxhounds.
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Then perhaps you should educate yourself before speaking, eh?
IG's are appointed by the president. They are fired by the president. They serve at his pleasure.  Aren't you even capable of doing a simple google search? Why don't you read up on how Obama voted on this situation whenever he was a senator? Do you even realize what the situation is here? I'm guessing not.  Yes, I'm aware. The president has to give a reason to Congress as to why he fired the IG. Congress can like the reason, dislike the reason, but really can't do all that much about it.
Here is the specific language. Quote: An Inspector General may be removed from office by the President. The President shall communicate the reasons for any such removal to both Houses of Congress. Does it say anywhere that Congress can object? Does it say anywhere the Congress can object if the President fires Attorneys and especially after they have served their 4 year term? If you were opset by that where the Justice Department has a team of UNAPPOINTED lawyers and staff to preserve and carry on any investigation or case, but find no problem with firing IG's because they dared to investigate the President's friends, I have a couple words for you.....
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Quote: Originally Posted by WillowTree My favorite word pertaining to obamaworshippers.. HYPOCRITES I don't think that really works. If that was all there was to it, they wouldn't be so dangerous.
They are messianics. Truth must be subject to the higher truth. what gets in the way of the higher truth. If it were just a case of hypocrisy, there wouldn't be so much heat.
Our odd feelings that the rules should be universal gets in the way of the higher goal. Sure there are little bits of fudging here and there, but those are just a few little eggs being broken for the omelet of the new millennium. Those who insist on rules that get in the way of the goal are the true evildoers, not the sticky fingered ones who are building the path to glory. | 
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Nope, the AGs do, not IG. That would be Congress.
See Nik, education is a good thing. Get off of the Huffington post and really understand the issues, maybe you'll learn something. Yes, we should all be glued to FoxNews, Limbaugh, and read WorldNetDaily. Stuff is beginning to emerge about Wilpin (sp) displaying a few screws loose in meetings leading up to his firing. Of course waiting to see if there are VALID reasons for replacing these people isn't part of this latest witchhunt. Imagine that. Yeah, I'm sure there are.  Funny how stuff is 'now coming out' to discredit him, and people like you and your fellow libs will eat it up and spew it everywhere you go as fact. Someday that tactic is going to stop working or backfire, just because you say something over and over again doesn't make it fact. The lemmings on the left are very predictable tho, all the elite have to do is get it out there on the right blogs and it spreads like wildfire and none of you give a damn as to whether there's any truth to any of it, you'll just continue to spread it. | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Midnight Marauder
Quote: Originally Posted by jillian If he's still being paid for the next 30 days, it doesn't matter that his stuff was packed, IMO. And if this is true, then one would understand why he'd be out.... Yes, it does matter. The POTUS cannot remove these IGs until after the 30 days has expired. The law is clear, counselor.
And as to the smears Obama has put out on Walprin being "confused" and maybe even senile? No dice, he passed the test on that just yesterday.
And even if so, Jillian, he now has a ADA claim does he not? Yes, he does. The left's attempt to smear anyone that can do them any damage, and the lemmings swallow the bait whole as usual. | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by del
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what part of "serves at the pleasure of" confuses you?
they're usually fired for political reasons. they belong to the wrong party. So the president can fire an AG for refusing to have sex w/ him? Or refusing to give him $10,000? first of all, it's u.s. attorneys, not AGs-there's only one AG.
and yes, the president can fire them for any reason s/he wishes or no reason at all.
as far as that goes, the same goes for the AG.
you should get out more.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Midnight Marauder
Quote: Originally Posted by jillian If he's still being paid for the next 30 days, it doesn't matter that his stuff was packed, IMO. And if this is true, then one would understand why he'd be out.... Yes, it does matter. The POTUS cannot remove these IGs until after the 30 days has expired. The law is clear, counselor.
And as to the smears Obama has put out on Walprin being "confused" and maybe even senile? No dice, he passed the test on that just yesterday.
And even if so, Jillian, he now has a ADA claim does he not? Yes, he does. Not to sway from the topic, but when you consider Biden is your VP, they have a lot of nerve implying Walprin maybe be confused and even senile. | | The Following User Says Thank You to twogreen2c For This Useful Post: | | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by del
Quote: Originally Posted by Nik
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first of all, it's u.s. attorneys, not AGs-there's only one AG.
and yes, the president can fire them for any reason s/he wishes or no reason at all.
as far as that goes, the same goes for the AG.
you should get out more. Wtf? You are actually saying that the president can fire a US attorney for refusing to have sex with him? You really aren't this stupid, are you? and we come back to what part of "serves at the pleasure of the president" confuses you? certainly, the us attorney in your ridiculous example would have recourse, but s/he wouldn't have a job.
or do you think when clinton had reno fire all the us attorneys in 1993, every single one of them was fired for cause?
pull your head out of your ass and take a deep breath; your brain is clearly starved for oxygen. Theres a difference between being able to fire someone not for cause, and being able to fire someone for anything and everything. | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by MaggieMae
Quote: Originally Posted by Midnight Marauder
Quote: Originally Posted by jillian
I see a lot of assertions from you without any evidence. I'm afraid I can't offer any opinions without that. I'm kind of funny that way.
As for an ADA claim, how do you figure? First off, I posted the LAW earlier. The one that spells it out clearly, these IGs cannot be removed until AFTER the 30-day notice has expired.
Under the Americans with Disabilities act, dementia and senility -- and even AGE -- are protected. The employer is required to attempt to make accommodations. This applies to the hiring process as well as to the termination process.
Here's an account of the firing, from Walprin himself: Gerald Walpin speaks: The inside story of the AmeriCorps firing | Washington Examiner
Here's Hot Air's take on the test, not that you'll read it or watch the video: Hot Air » Blog Archive » Sweet: Glenn Beck gives Gerald Walpin a senility test
I know none of you Obamaphiles really care what Obama does. That's a given. But my own optimism of the human being allows me to at least try to get your brain cells working again. Because I am optimistic that you still have them, somewhere in the foggy haze of Obama cult worship. How stupid. I don't suppose it occurred to Glenn Beck that Mr. Walpin might have been SOBER when he took the silly test, and a little tipsy during meetings. He wanted to work from home? Hmmm... Why? Does Beck even remember that he once didn't know the time of day?
Here's another news flash: Early Alzheimers patients would also be able to pass such a childish test.
There's more to this story than meets the eye[balls] of Glenn Beck and the other foxhounds. Seriously. Just because someone can pass an ADA test, that means they are competent to be an IG?   | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Nik
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Wtf? You are actually saying that the president can fire a US attorney for refusing to have sex with him? You really aren't this stupid, are you? and we come back to what part of "serves at the pleasure of the president" confuses you? certainly, the us attorney in your ridiculous example would have recourse, but s/he wouldn't have a job.
or do you think when clinton had reno fire all the us attorneys in 1993, every single one of them was fired for cause?
pull your head out of your ass and take a deep breath; your brain is clearly starved for oxygen. Theres a difference between being able to fire someone not for cause, and being able to fire someone for anything and everything. what would that difference be, ace?
this should be weak.
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Quote: Originally Posted by del
Quote: Originally Posted by Nik
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and we come back to what part of "serves at the pleasure of the president" confuses you? certainly, the us attorney in your ridiculous example would have recourse, but s/he wouldn't have a job.
or do you think when clinton had reno fire all the us attorneys in 1993, every single one of them was fired for cause?
pull your head out of your ass and take a deep breath; your brain is clearly starved for oxygen. Theres a difference between being able to fire someone not for cause, and being able to fire someone for anything and everything. what would that difference be, ace?
this should be weak. Hey, please don't insult Ace Frehley like that. | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by del
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and we come back to what part of "serves at the pleasure of the president" confuses you? certainly, the us attorney in your ridiculous example would have recourse, but s/he wouldn't have a job.
or do you think when clinton had reno fire all the us attorneys in 1993, every single one of them was fired for cause?
pull your head out of your ass and take a deep breath; your brain is clearly starved for oxygen. Theres a difference between being able to fire someone not for cause, and being able to fire someone for anything and everything. what would that difference be, ace?
this should be weak. If one case you can fire someone for refusing to have sex with you. In one case you can't.
Well, that was easy. Of course you are likely too stupid to be able to comprehend that simple difference, but ah well. | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by del
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Theres a difference between being able to fire someone not for cause, and being able to fire someone for anything and everything. what would that difference be, ace?
this should be weak. Hey, please don't insult Ace Frehley like that. Sup poodle? | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Nik
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Theres a difference between being able to fire someone not for cause, and being able to fire someone for anything and everything. what would that difference be, ace?
this should be weak. If one case you can fire someone for refusing to have sex with you. In one case you can't.
Well, that was easy. Of course you are likely too stupid to be able to comprehend that simple difference, but ah well.
ahh, but you can fire someone for not having sex with you. you just have to be intelligent enough to give a different reason, or no reason at all.
if they can prove the firing was illegal, which is highly unlikely, they may get a monetary settlement or if it's a civil service job, they may get their job back.
you ever been to the real world?
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what would that difference be, ace?
this should be weak. If one case you can fire someone for refusing to have sex with you. In one case you can't.
Well, that was easy. Of course you are likely too stupid to be able to comprehend that simple difference, but ah well.
ahh, but you can fire someone for not having sex with you. you just have to be intelligent enough to give a different reason, or no reason at all.
if they can prove the firing was illegal, which is highly unlikely, they may get a monetary settlement or if it's a civil service job, they may get their job back.
you ever been to the real world?  So you acknowledge that there is a difference then? Good, congratulations on acknowledging reality.
We were talking about the law, not about how hard or easy it is to prove the laws been broken. But nice attempt at backtracking there though. |  | |
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