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Because, moron, the two situations are entirely different. Two people have now tried to explain that to you, but apparently you're not capable of comprehending the situation. Sucks to be you. Oh? I posted the law for you, so why don't you try and find the part that says that the president can't fire IG's. Good luck with that.
So you approve of the president protecting one of his supporters that was also stealing/embezzling money by firing the Inspector General that was investigating his 'buddy'? Nope. But then your just making that up with no evidence. | 
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I have. Which is why I'm asking you to prove your point, since its complete bullshit. I'm not going to prove your point for you, especially since you are just talking out of your ass. The law you linked us to is the OLD law. Not the new one Obama co-sponsored. My bad. Try here. US CODE: Title 5a,INSPECTOR GENERAL ACT OF 1978 | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Nik Exactly what parts did Obama not follow? The 30 days notice to Congress, for one. Quote:
And Obama voted for the law. He actually was one of the sponsors. It was HIS law he's clearly breaking.
You don't find it even a least little bit alarming that he's systematically and without due lawful process removing anyone who's investigating one of his cronies? I'm sure you're just 'talking out your ass' as well, MM, but nice try.  Still waiting for you to provide me with evidence he broke the law. | 
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Oh? I posted the law for you, so why don't you try and find the part that says that the president can't fire IG's. Good luck with that.
So you approve of the president protecting one of his supporters that was also stealing/embezzling money by firing the Inspector General that was investigating his 'buddy'? Nope. But then your just making that up with no evidence.
Yeah, you go with that.  Stupid is as stupid does. | 
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So you approve of the president protecting one of his supporters that was also stealing/embezzling money by firing the Inspector General that was investigating his 'buddy'? Nope. But then your just making that up with no evidence.
Yeah, you go with that.  Stupid is as stupid does. Oh, then do please prove me wrong. Cite evidence. Or are you incapable of that? | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Nik Exactly what parts did Obama not follow? The 30 days notice to Congress, for one.He actually was one of the sponsors. It was HIS law he's clearly breaking.
You don't find it even a least little bit alarming that he's systematically and without due lawful process removing anyone who's investigating one of his cronies? Really? He did not follow the 30 days notice to Congress? Quote: 06/11/09 8:14 PM EDT
There are a number of unanswered questions today about President Obama's abrupt decision to fire the inspector general of the AmeriCorps program, Gerald Walpin. Obama sent letters to House and Senate leaders yesterday informing them that he was firing Walpin, effective 30 days from the date of the letters. What's behind Obama's sudden attempt to fire the AmeriCorps inspector general? | Washington Examiner
Hey. Funny, he gave Congress 30 days notice. Next? Do you even read what you post? Today is June 17th, not July 17th. Can you read?
And, you keep avoiding the central question: You don't find it even a least little bit alarming that he's systematically and without due lawful process removing anyone who's investigating one of his cronies? | 
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I have. Which is why I'm asking you to prove your point, since its complete bullshit. I'm not going to prove your point for you, especially since you are just talking out of your ass. The law you linked us to is the OLD law. Not the new one Obama co-sponsored. My bad. Try here. US CODE: Title 5a,INSPECTOR GENERAL ACT OF 1978 That's no better. Newest amendments to that are 1994 and doesn't include the 30 day notice clause he's violating. | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Midnight Marauder The 30 days notice to Congress, for one.He actually was one of the sponsors. It was HIS law he's clearly breaking.
You don't find it even a least little bit alarming that he's systematically and without due lawful process removing anyone who's investigating one of his cronies? Really? He did not follow the 30 days notice to Congress? Quote: 06/11/09 8:14 PM EDT
There are a number of unanswered questions today about President Obama's abrupt decision to fire the inspector general of the AmeriCorps program, Gerald Walpin. Obama sent letters to House and Senate leaders yesterday informing them that he was firing Walpin, effective 30 days from the date of the letters. What's behind Obama's sudden attempt to fire the AmeriCorps inspector general? | Washington Examiner
Hey. Funny, he gave Congress 30 days notice. Next? Do you even read what you post? Today is June 17th, not July 17th. Can you read? Yes, I'm away that today is June 17th. Your point? Quote: And, you keep avoiding the central question: You don't find it even a least little bit alarming that he's systematically and without due lawful process removing anyone who's investigating one of his cronies? Try asking a question that doesn't have a massive amount of doubtful, if not clearly false, premises if you want an answer. | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Nik Quote: Do you even read what you post? Today is June 17th, not July 17th. Can you read? Quote: Yes, I'm away that today is June 17th. Your point? Read the emboldened and enlarged portions. He cannot, under the law, fire any of the IGs until AFTER the 30 day notice expires. Quote: And, you keep avoiding the central question: You don't find it even a least little bit alarming that he's systematically and without due lawful process removing anyone who's investigating one of his cronies? Quote: Try asking a question that doesn't have a massive amount of doubtful, if not clearly false, premises if you want an answer. There are no false premises there. If you don't want to answer the question, that is okay just say so. I know for you cult followers, anything The Obama does is fine. Even if it clearly breaks the law.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Midnight Marauder That's no better. Newest amendments to that are 1994 and doesn't include the 30 day notice clause he's violating. S.2324: Inspector General Reform Act of 2008 -... OpenCongress | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Midnight Marauder And, you keep avoiding the central question: You don't find it even a least little bit alarming that he's systematically and without due lawful process removing anyone who's investigating one of his cronies? a) i don't put much stock in wingnut bloggers;
2) i don't think even the wingnut blogger went that far.
so you might want to re-evaluate that statement and replace it with something that might accurately represent what was written.
just saying.
I'm pretty sure that if it turns out that's what he was doing, you'll hear a lot more criticism about it than we ever did from the right about Bush using the AG as his own little private GOP enforcement arm....
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Quote: Originally Posted by Nik Quote: Do you even read what you post? Today is June 17th, not July 17th. Can you read? Read the emboldened and enlarged portions. He cannot, under the law, fire any of the IGs until AFTER the 30 day notice expires. Quote: And, you keep avoiding the central question: You don't find it even a least little bit alarming that he's systematically and without due lawful process removing anyone who's investigating one of his cronies? Quote: Try asking a question that doesn't have a massive amount of doubtful, if not clearly false, premises if you want an answer. There are no false premises there. If you don't want to answer the question, that is okay just say so. I know for you cult followers, anything The Obama does is fine. Even if it clearly breaks the law. You do know that Obama hasn't actually fired Walperin, yes? Only that he is going too?
If you are going to claim that Obama broke the law, please cite the exact law and then cite exactly which action of his broke the law.
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Rep Power: 126 | | (Sec. 3) Requires the President, the heads of designated federal entities, the Librarian of Congress, the Capitol Police Board, and the Public Printer to communicate to Congress in writing the reasons for removing or transferring an IG no later than 30 days before such removal or transfer.
Which means, he CANNOT remove an IG until AFTER the 30 day's notice! | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Nik You do know that Obama hasn't actually fired Walperin, yes? Only that he is going too? Yes, he has fired him. He has been removed from office and barred from entering.
This new clause was designed to PREVENT exactly what you're seeing, to PREVENT a POTUS from removing IGs that are getting a little too close to the truth on some issues that might reflect badly on the CinC.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Midnight Marauder (Sec. 3) Requires the President, the heads of designated federal entities, the Librarian of Congress, the Capitol Police Board, and the Public Printer to communicate to Congress in writing the reasons for removing or transferring an IG no later than 30 days before such removal or transfer.
Which means, he CANNOT remove an IG until AFTER the 30 day's notice! Walperin still, at this very moment, has a job. He just won't in 30 days. (well 25 or something now) |  | |
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