Could We Please Stop Calling Obama, Reid, and Pelosi Liberals?

left-leaning centrists...

HA HA HA HA HA HA

You must be kidding.

They are not 'centrist' at all, they are the heart of the left.

This semantics game continues, I see.

Extreme right wingers inform us that BUSH II is a liberal for christ's sake.

To them anyone who is not a brownshirt is a liberal.

So who cares if these totalitarians think they're liberals?

Liberals know they're not liberals.

Instead of getting hung up on labels, why not just fault these people for what they actually do?

I'll tell you why they don't.

Because that requires that these people actually pay attention to the facts and details of policies, and it's way more fun to just label people so they don't have to pay attention.

Face it, if they were really paying attention they'd know that these labels are meaningless.

[quote=sealybobo;1213305]who you call liberals are not liberals. In the classical sense, liberals favor personal freedom and economic freedom above all else. you are in favor of a government that restricts freedoms, via legislation and confiscatory taxes all in the name of "fairness". that is NOT liberalism.

And I bash people like you who are constantly calling for bigger more expensive government. That has nothing to do with liberalism.

I don't hate anyone. that is for you lefties to do. My position on smaller government and lower taxes has always been consistent. But you on the other hand are OK with spend happy, tax happy Democrats while you disapprove of spend happy, tax happy republicans. that is hypocrisy plain and simple. And for the umpteenth time, I did not vote for Bush either time he ran. i am not and have never been a member of the Republican party.

I don't remember ever saying those things to you. But you fail to realize that you can't be pro-jobs and anti-business.

says you.

Think what you want about the GOP. I am not a member. I think we need a new third party movement which is why I have not voted for a republican or a democrat if there is another option.

I don't watch beck, nor do I watch any other talking head stuffed shirt on the boob tube. Maybe you should start reading and forming your own opinions instead.

Once again, I don't give a flying fuck what the repudlican party does or does not do.

i will say that Ron Paul should leave the repudlicans. IMO he'd be a good candidate to spearhead a new party. Judd Gregg would be another good choice but we both know it ain't gonna happen.

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All except for the economic freedom part

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“Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.”

-George Bernard Shaw-

Liberal is in the eye of the beholder.

18th century liberalism and 21st century liberalism are hardly the same thing.

Likewise, conservatism of this century and conservatism of precious ages aren't remotely the same.

These words have become mostly meaningless labels designed, now, mostly to divide us into oppossing camps.

I did support him and I have admitted it a thousand times. Where the hell have you been the last eight years?
I voted for him twice. The second time only because I did not like John Kerry because he was an elitist.

I began disliking George Bush's policy the moment he announced the no bid contract to Halliburton and things only went down hill from there.

Dispite all that, I have admitted so often and I still do that I voted for George Bush and no, it is not a happy place to be.

But, it is all the Democrats fault! If they had run a decent human being instead of an asshole in 2004, I would not have to admit to voting for Bush the second time around.

Immie

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No edit.... "not conservative" does not inherently mean liberal... Bush II was indeed further to the left than a 'true' conservative.. and was moderate/cooperating on a lot of things (especially financially)... but you won't ever hear me call him a liberal...

Obama and Pelosi on the other hand, are indeed very far left on the L-R political scale to fall into the 'liberal' scale (and quite a ways into it)

Oh... and I do fault those 2 plenty on what they actually do..

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If you think the named people are centrist in any way shape or form, you don't understand where you fall in the political spectrum. Believe me, I majored in Poli Sci and I had a 3.9 GPA in those subject. If there's one thing I kinda have down at this point, it's the identification of political ideology.

The only way that you can say they are centrist is if you take every possible ideology in the world into account. In the context of US politics, they are practically falling off the scale to the left. If they are, in turn, to the right of you, you have the ideology of Che Guverra.

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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. -- C.S. Lewis

Why is it Bush's fault that no one else put a bid in against Halliburton? Should he have formed a company that can do what Halliburton does so that there would be two?

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It is not that no one else put a bid in. He didn't take bids. That is the problem.

Now, truthfully, people claim that Halliburton is the only corporation that could have done the job. If that is the case, then fine, put the contract out for bid and then choose Halliburton. They did not put the contract out for bid and there was a connection between the VP and Halliburton giving the entire thing the appearance of being a kickback. There was a conflict of interests involved and even if every 'I' was dotted and every 'T' crossed the whole thing just plain smelled.

It just plain smelled. But as I said, things definitely got worse from there.

Immie

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The dems throw us an occasional liberal bone, like they'll put a pro choice woman on the Supreme Court and give kids healthcare, but still healthcare, oilmen and bankers run washington.

They did take bids. When they went to renew the contract they didn't bother as it was completely pointless. When the government actually does something logical we should all freak out, we should encourage them.

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Fiscally Bush II was very liberal!

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Absolutely, but I didn't vote for Obama and I only support him because he is the President of my country. I voted for and supported President Bush and through the eight years he lost my support. I did not vote for President Obama and have never "backed" his policies except to hope he succeeds. Since that is the case, President Obama did not lose my support.

I was angry that President Bush did not act like he promised. With President Obama, I can only hope that we make it through the next 3 1/2 years.

Immie

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