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No, they're centrists, you nazis!
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Not really, but kinda: they do lean to the left a little.
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Yes...no...I guess so - not? I don't know. I'm a Centrist.
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Kinda, but not really: they do lean to the left a lot.
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Yes, they're socialist hippies in suits, you pinkos!
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Quote: Originally Posted by DiamondDave  They're FAR from being centrists.. and about as far left as you can get on stances, voting records, etc, within our government... Really?
So has he ended the war yet? Has he stopped DADT? Has he fully funded all social programs? Has he funded Legal Aid to 1970's levels yet? Come out for gay marriage? Tried to repeal DOMA?
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Oops, there I go again ducking below the humor line ... 
I gotta stop letting them fly over my head.  Tis okay KK... I didn't wave the sarcasm flag.
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Bush wasn't a liberal on spending policy. Being liberal doesn't mean "omg, lets spend money on anything and everything". It means spending money on the things we, as liberals, care about. Spending money on invading third world countries, and building up the military doesn't count as being liberal.
Sorry, Nik, you missed my poor attempt at humor as well.
Immie Haha, well some people actually think that kind of shit, that Bush was a liberal. Its hard to filter out when you make jokes that people actually think ;p Especially when I don't wave the sarcasm flag. I'm guilty of expecting everyone to have seen the joke in that because I expected everyone to realize I was kidding.
Bush spent like a drunken liberal who spends like a drunken sailor.
I personally do not believe he showed conservative qualities in his policies either, but they clearly were not left wing policies either.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Coloradomtnman
Quote: Originally Posted by DiamondDave They're FAR from being centrists.. and about as far left as you can get on stances, voting records, etc, within our government... Dave, remember the shooting range? Its windy. You have to adjust. If Obama is as far left as you can get, then what is Chomsky and Nader? What is the American Socialist party? The Green Party? They're even more liberal than the three I named. Please don't confuse him with facts. |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Coloradomtnman Could We Please Stop Calling Obama, Reid, and Pelosi Liberals? No. And I'm not going to start calling day, night either. |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Coloradomtnman Could We Please Stop Calling Obama, Reid, and Pelosi Liberals? No. And I'm not going to start calling day, night either. Of course you won't start doing it. You've been doing it for years now. |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Coloradomtnman Look. I'm a liberal. Obama, Reid, and Pelosi are left-leaning centrists. If someone has voted the way Obama, Reid, and Pelosi have, they aren't liberals; they're centrists.
Think of politics as a spectrum. Chomsky is a liberal, Nader is a liberal, the Green Party is liberal, but Democrats are not liberals. Democrats are centrists. Some Democrats voted for the Patriot Act for God's sakes! That isn't liberal. That's as right-wing as you can get from a liberal point of view. Anybody who doesn't immediately act to stop waterboarding isn't liberal. Anybody who supports clean coal isn't liberal. Anybody who maintains a military presence in Afghanistan isn't liberal. Anybody who bails out Wallstreet and the big national banks isn't liberal. If the spectrum goes from blue to red, then liberals are ultra-violet; anyone in the blue is just a liberalistic centrist with some right-wing tendencies.
I know that those of you who see politics from the right-side of the spectrum perceive centrists as liberals, but remember: you have to adjust for bias. Its called Kentucky windage. I almost agree. They're leftists, not centrists.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Coloradomtnman
Quote: Originally Posted by DiamondDave They're FAR from being centrists.. and about as far left as you can get on stances, voting records, etc, within our government... Dave, remember the shooting range? Its windy. You have to adjust. If Obama is as far left as you can get, then what is Chomsky and Nader? What is the American Socialist party? The Green Party? They're even more liberal than the three I named.
What Obama's idealogy is, and what he knows he can accomplish in reality and get away with, are two completely different things. |
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Rep Power: 1 | | | I agree with Bernie Sanders, you remember him, the Socialist Representative(now senator) who began caucusing with the Democrats a few years ago when he said that their platform had changed and was now indistinguishable from the Socialist platform.
Why do Democrats want to be called moderates so much? Being a leftist pinko commie is already moderate for them, what's the purpose of a distinction?
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Quote: Originally Posted by Coloradomtnman
Quote: Originally Posted by DiamondDave They're FAR from being centrists.. and about as far left as you can get on stances, voting records, etc, within our government... Dave, remember the shooting range? Its windy. You have to adjust. If Obama is as far left as you can get, then what is Chomsky and Nader? What is the American Socialist party? The Green Party? They're even more liberal than the three I named. By voting record.. Obama was the most liberal in congress.. and that says something.. his reference to socialist texts and concepts has been continual...
He is DAMN far left.. maybe not a 'pure' socialist... but loves the concepts and ideals and is a direct neighbor of the socialists
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Quote: Originally Posted by Nik
Being liberal doesn't mean "omg, lets spend money on anything and everything". It means spending money on the things we, as liberals, care about.
Bolded part of sentence one = bolded part of sentence two.
Quote: Originally Posted by Nik
Quote: Originally Posted by DiamondDave They're FAR from being centrists.. and about as far left as you can get on stances, voting records, etc, within our government... Really?
So has he ended the war yet? Has he stopped DADT? Has he fully funded all social programs? Has he funded Legal Aid to 1970's levels yet? Come out for gay marriage? Tried to repeal DOMA?
And those are just a few issues. Hey, he's only been at it a little over 100 days . . . . give the guy a break. He can't do it all at once.
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Rep Power: 210 | | Want to know all about Obama? Go here and browse around. Click the bottom link on B.O. on the left. Check out his past, his associations, his ideology, etc. He's LEFT, of that there is no doubt. He'a a Centrist . . .  http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewIndividuals.asp
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Quote: Originally Posted by Newby What Obama's idealogy is, and what he knows he can accomplish in reality and get away with, are two completely different things. Good point. I wonder what Obama's ideology is. Sure, we can think its what the media has represented to us, or even by what we can contrive from Obama's statements, but is that really what he believes or just how he represents himself?
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Quote: Originally Posted by Nik
Being liberal doesn't mean "omg, lets spend money on anything and everything". It means spending money on the things we, as liberals, care about.
Bolded part of sentence one = bolded part of sentence two. Really? So its liberals who want to spend stupid amounts of money on expensive toys to kill people with? Quote:
Quote: Originally Posted by Nik
Quote: Originally Posted by DiamondDave They're FAR from being centrists.. and about as far left as you can get on stances, voting records, etc, within our government... Really?
So has he ended the war yet? Has he stopped DADT? Has he fully funded all social programs? Has he funded Legal Aid to 1970's levels yet? Come out for gay marriage? Tried to repeal DOMA?
And those are just a few issues. Hey, he's only been at it a little over 100 days . . . . give the guy a break. He can't do it all at once. Any evidence that hes going to do any of those things anytime soon? No? Yeah, thought not.  |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Zoom-boing Want to know all about Obama? Go here and browse around. Click the bottom link on B.O. on the left. Check out his past, his associations, his ideology, etc. He's LEFT, of that there is no doubt. He'a a Centrist . . . http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewIndividuals.asp Wow...nice little hit site that is. If I wanted to know "all about" Barack Obama, I'd go to a site that wasn't so nakedly partisan. Major alliance with Bill Ayers? Nice lie there. | | |
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