Obama's Socialism Explained

I don't believe Obama ran for office with the plan of the Govt buying banks and auto manufactures or lending Wall Street billions. The economic fiasco was thrust upon him and he is doing the best he can to avoid a catastrophe. While folks can legitimately debate what the best course of action would be, the proposition that fiscal stimulus and intervention to unfreeze the credit markets can certainly be logically defended.

Good point about the S&Ls.

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Point of clarification...


The vast majority of the S&L bailouts occurred under Bush I and then extended well into the Clinton administration. The RTC was set up in 1989, and was not completed until 1995.

Also, Morris clearly stipulated that what Obama is doing would not fall under historical versions of socialism, so in essence, it appears you are both in agreement.

You did read his column, yes?

So does Obama...

right after he visits his crack dealer.

No, he didn't plan it, but as we all know a good crisis is a horrible thing to waste. Too bad the flu pandemics didn't pan out as they would have liked.

In my perception it is the conservatives who seem to be hoping that the economy tanks and Obama's policies don't work.

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What is it about losing an election you do not understand? The american people saw Obama for two years. He was clear about his goals for our country minus the last minute bullcrap heaped upon his administration as a result of Bush's deregulation and ignorance of the financial institutions.

You lost..now just STFU or offer up better solutions to what the majority voted for.

A thread I posted a while ago which no one seemed much interested in [] was entitled: OTOBI (the Obama Theory Of Business Influence). My personal view is that OTOBI is his basic business approach and that he is deeply convinced that it is his duty and good right to profoundly change the US economically and socially. He said as much during his campaign. I never doubted it.

The problem with people like this, however, is the ideology is basically all they are capable of seeing or want to deal with. What The Prophet is up to will not by any stretch of the imagination stop at some end point and level off into something new. I am afraid that the citizenry is going to pay a heavy price.

Just the one item of health care for all will help this country more that can be explained to people that want the middle classed extinguished.

Quite right - we are currently in an era where there is a significant disconnect between ideology and reality, and unfortunately, ideology is ruling the day.

Great observation, I couldn't agree more. He's said countless times exactly what he wants to do, no one is ever listening.

From the beginning his agenda has been obvious to those who are listening.

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Oh puleeze...I'm really trying to be nice for a change, but you people make it really really difficult when I see that shit.

The quick and highly publicized response to the swine flu was INTENDED to bring awareness to people. A few years ago when there were several cases of bird flu, nobody took it seriously, and had that developed into a full-fledged epidemic, we would have been in deep trouble, with hospitals unprepared and not enough proactive preparation for vaccine supplies. There would have been widespread panic.

It's high time the United States started being PROactive regarding potential catastrophic events instead of REactive once they've hit. And you can apply that to terrorist attacks, hurricanes, and fast-spreading flu viruses.

Grow up.

Depends upon what you mean by profoundly change. I think Obama's main goals were 1) create a system of health care that did a better job providing health care to poorer folks and a better job overall 2) Make the tax system a little more progressive; and 3) otherwise tinker with the budget.

Whether that is deemed a profound change is a matter for the beholder.

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Actually it is Fascism which is company owned and government controlled or supervised like AIG.