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01-14-2009, 08:49 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Gord Bubba should have been forced from office for placing the presidency in a position to be blackmailed. Any president who does that should be immediately removed, whether through the pressure of their own party or through impeachment. But unless Bush can be shown to have similarly put the country at peril, any prosecutions for actions he took or ordered taken to protect or run the country are out of bounds.
What makes us different from totalitarian rule is that regime change doesn't equal putting the former regime in jail. If we start throwing presidents and their officials in jail who the hell are we going to get to run the country?!? Shit happens! Especially in war, which is always messy, and even more so when terrorism is in the mix along with the potential of American cities disappearing into a cloud of dust and smoke.
The president must have the confidence to be able to make the right calls to defend America. I don't want him making the wrong calls because some partisans on the other side are judging his every action to see if they can throw him in jail after his presidency ends.
Bunch of garbage, bubbalah.... Daddy Bush had a gf; Eisenhower; Kennedy (well, we know about Kennedy); Roosevelt...
The Clinton blue dress thing, led by a bunch of hypocrites like Henry Hyde who was carrying on his own little affair.
Gotta stop beating that dead horse.. Clinton still has almost a 70% approval rating...same as he did then.
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01-14-2009, 08:52 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by DavidS Just because you politically agree with what the Bush administration has done, does not mean he is free from any guilt. If Bush did, indeed break the law that would be found through an investigation, what do you suggest? Not doing anything?
If Bush did not break any laws, then he has nothing to worry about.
I am all for the probe. Let Bush be villified once and for all and let's move on with this. His policies have kept us safe for the past 7 years. Oh, sure... just as the lack of a criminal investigation into your behavior over the last 8 years does not mean that you're free of guilt.
Now friends... let us recall the hundreds of posts wherein, myself and dozens of other Americans have pointed to the tyrannical certainty of lending power to leftists...
Not to worry though... I've told you that they will egregiously abuse that power and as a result they will bring about what must be inevitable civil war... and it is at that point where we will eviscerate the cancer of leftism as we tend to our sacred responsibility to defend our individual human rights.
Let us recognize that the concept wherein a man is guilty until he proves himself innocent is being advanced by these idiots and in so doing they threaten the rights of every free man...
Arm yourselves and make yourself proficient in the use of those arms in preparation of defending your rights from the clear and present danger represented by a tyrannical ideology which has come to power, as it always comes, on the backs of the idiot 'center'... and which will now begin to gather power for no other purpose than do defend that power; they are everything the founders of the US warned us about and we are now faced with enduring that which the founders endured to free themselves from it.
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Quote: Originally Posted by DavidS Jeremiah White isn't a lunatic. He actually has some very intriguing views. … Do you have any idea how many innocent people this country has killed and we never batted an eye? The Native Americans? Vietnam? Hiroshima? Nagaski? The death toll of innocents is likely in the millions and we're supposed to be the good guys, right? And yet when we lose 3,000 people the ones who did this are evil.
Quote: Originally Posted by CrimsonWhite What the hell does the Framer's intent have to do with anything? We have SCOTUS rulings. Two of them. When I say: THERE ARE NO LEFIST AMERICANS! That is PRECISELY about which I am speaking!
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Quote: Originally Posted by RetiredGySgt Go ahead bring it on, create a commission to use political power to arrest and harrass former public officials. It will inspire revolution and it will ensure the Democrats face the same process when they lose power. Democrats seek criminal probe of Bush 'abuses' - Yahoo! News You're even more delusional than the CT's. The epidome of naivete is to think that Americans will get off their collective asses to support anything political beyond voting. 4 million people can show up to watch a baseball team have a championship parade, but when it comes time to act politically, maybe a couple thousand get off their fat fucking asses to do something.
And then most of the time, they get berated by the marjority for even doing so.
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01-14-2009, 09:22 AM
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Rep Power: 39 | | Quote: Unlike the whole ridiculous idea of prosecuting politicians for carrying out their duties. No politicians has to perform duties that are against the law. That is a cop out.
"I was just following orders." Tell that to the judges a Nuremberg.
If they broke the law, they should be punished be it Repug or Dem.
Not to say anything about 8 fucking years of Ken Starr spending 70 million tax dollars to try and get something on Clinton and ending up with a perjured blow job that didn't even happen before they went fishing for something to get him on.
What a bunch of hippo crypts.
Torture is against the law. Spying on American citizens is against the law. Breaking the FISA law is against the law.
Sorry, but Nixon was wrong when he said that if the president did it, it wasn't against the law.
Whining little weasel having lost the control to control the truth.
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01-14-2009, 09:34 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by jillian Bunch of garbage, bubbalah.... Daddy Bush had a gf; Eisenhower; Kennedy (well, we know about Kennedy); Roosevelt...
The Clinton blue dress thing, led by a bunch of hypocrites like Henry Hyde who was carrying on his own little affair.
Gotta stop beating that dead horse.. Clinton still has almost a 70% approval rating...same as he did then.  As if approval ratings mean anything. John Ziegler proved that Obama's voters knew nothing more about his background or his policies than "hope" and "change" and that Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house (even though it was actually Tine Fey that said it).
Bubba placed the presidency in a position to be blackmailed. And he may have been. We still do not know why he just up and gave the Chinese intercontinental missile technology that enabled them to reach N.A. with nukes, which they were nowhere near developing on their own. If you want to prosecute a president here's the issue to investigate. | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by rayboyusmc No politicians has to perform duties that are against the law. That is a cop out.
"I was just following orders." Tell that to the judges a Nuremberg.
If they broke the law, they should be punished be it Repug or Dem.
ROFLMNAO... to understand any issue, it has to be placed into the proper context; and the context in which Bush foreign policy rests is that wherein the US IS AT WAR WITH ILLEGAL COMBATANTS WHO SPEND THEIR TIME PLOTTING MASS MURDER...
So what these idiots are crying about is policy which was bent around the defense of the US from these cretins. Meaning that those crying about Bush policy 'violating the law' are actually DEFENDING MASS MURDERERS and using 'the law' which made their MASS MURDER POSSIBLE as the excuse...
Brace yourselves kids... Islamic terrorism is on the precipice of being thoroughly VALIDATED; the result of which will be more attacks on the US, her interests and allies and wherein each of those attacks kills greater and greater number of INNOCENT PEOPLE; Which is the CHANGE you idiots voted for and that is a personal decision for which you ALL will be held accountable and sooner than later, I suspect…
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Quote: Originally Posted by DavidS Jeremiah White isn't a lunatic. He actually has some very intriguing views. … Do you have any idea how many innocent people this country has killed and we never batted an eye? The Native Americans? Vietnam? Hiroshima? Nagaski? The death toll of innocents is likely in the millions and we're supposed to be the good guys, right? And yet when we lose 3,000 people the ones who did this are evil.
Quote: Originally Posted by CrimsonWhite What the hell does the Framer's intent have to do with anything? We have SCOTUS rulings. Two of them. When I say: THERE ARE NO LEFIST AMERICANS! That is PRECISELY about which I am speaking! | 
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Rep Power: 39 | | Quote: and that Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house (even though it was actually Tine Fey that said it). No, Sarah actually said it in an interview. Tina just repeated it.
As to the shit about Clinton selling out to the Chinese, please pull some more crap out of your ass and post it.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Paulie You're even more delusional than the CT's. The epidome of naivete is to think that Americans will get off their collective asses to support anything political beyond voting. 4 million people can show up to watch a baseball team have a championship parade, but when it comes time to act politically, maybe a couple thousand get off their fat fucking asses to do something.
And then most of the time, they get berated by the marjority for even doing so.
Revolution.  Please. Like anyone is going to get up a head of steam to have a revolution to protect an ex-president who left office with an approval rating of about 25% anyway... *sigh*
And why would they "get up...." to protect Bush?-*
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01-14-2009, 09:48 AM
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01-14-2009, 10:25 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by rayboyusmc No, Sarah actually said it in an interview. Tina just repeated it.
As to the shit about Clinton selling out to the Chinese, please pull some more crap out of your ass and post it.  Sorry I am not not your teacher. Try a search engine. | 
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Rep Power: 6 | | Where were all you liberals screaming for presidential investigations for an unjust war when Bubba attacked the Serbs based on a fraudulent claim of "500,000" Kosovars being "ethnically cleansed" with no UN consultation or approval and no US interest. Bubba even compared it to the "Holocaust" on TV. It turned out that a few thousand Kosovars were killed by the Serbs and almost the equal amount Serbs killed by the KLA who had been previously branded by the US as terrorists. The whole war was a scam by Clinton.
And you liberals want to prosecute so-called war crimes? Well if anything Bush did qualifies as a war crime, then this surely does:
And not just one bomb - the U.S. pilot was ordered to strike again to take out the bridge because the first strike only hit the train. But the second bomb didn't take out the bridge either - it again hit the train! It was a passenger train for gawd's sake!?!
I look forward to your congressional hearings... | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by sky dancer Bush and Cheney should be tried for war crimes. They won't be, but they should be. lol... Ya know what's cool? I see a lots of idiots make this claim, but when I ask them to specifiy the war crimes to which they're referring, they never seem to be able to cite evidence of any crime having been committed by either Bush or Cheney...
Usually they cite the authorization to torture, but they can't cite a statute which limits the Exeuctive's authority to authorize water-boarding, or a statute which classifies water-boarding as torture.
Clearly you'll be no exception...
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Quote: Originally Posted by DavidS Jeremiah White isn't a lunatic. He actually has some very intriguing views. … Do you have any idea how many innocent people this country has killed and we never batted an eye? The Native Americans? Vietnam? Hiroshima? Nagaski? The death toll of innocents is likely in the millions and we're supposed to be the good guys, right? And yet when we lose 3,000 people the ones who did this are evil.
Quote: Originally Posted by CrimsonWhite What the hell does the Framer's intent have to do with anything? We have SCOTUS rulings. Two of them. When I say: THERE ARE NO LEFIST AMERICANS! That is PRECISELY about which I am speaking! | 
01-14-2009, 11:06 AM
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Rep Power: 262 | | | As for revolution, 25 percent is more than enough to fuel and man a revolution. That is 80 MILLION people. All it takes is about 3 million anyway.
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Quote: Originally Posted by bigdaddygtr   AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE MY BROTHER!!!!!!!! Unless the truth that you discover is that you are a prisoner, of course.
I expect no indictments of any of the major players of the Bush League.
They can always fall back on the "I was mislead" defence, just as they've been doing all along.
The really sad thing about this isn't that they get off, of course that is bad enough, but that the next generation of crooks to take office will see what these crooks got away with and keep pushing that imperial envelope. |  | |
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