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10-03-2008, 09:04 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Larkinn The more the better?
Ok, then how about a DNA sample, fingerprint, drivers license, eye scan, birth certificate, another form of state ID, bill addressed to your permanent address with your name (you know, so the college kids can't vote either), etc, etc.
Whats so hard about figuring out that its not ok to disenfranchise people based on income no matter what the reason is. We have a right to vote in this country. Period. You're right. We have a right to vote so long as we're over the age of 18, and not a criminal. Now, when you can come up with a foolproof way for that to be done honestly, without cohersion, bribery, tampering, etc. you let me know. Right now, proof of identity is required, and that's fine by me. Now, why would you have a problem with that? Afraid your sides not going to get enough votes if you don't drag homeless people off the street, and pay them?
When I go to vote, tho I've already registered in my area, I STILL need to bring along my drivers license to prove who I am, and where I reside. | 
10-03-2008, 09:05 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by dilloduck Some cities actually have districts and people are required to live in that district. I don't get to vote for a congressman if I dont have an adress in that district. Seattle is the district. If you widen the scope though, all Western Washington cities have at least one such mail center. Doesn't cost much to run one. It helps in so many ways, but voting registration is one. Also, I have known a lot of homeless in other cities find ways around that address requirement. My point is this, if someone really wants an address there are ways to get one even if you live on the streets. | 
10-03-2008, 09:06 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by dilloduck Some cities actually have districts and people are required to live in that district. I don't get to vote for a congressman if I dont have an adress in that district. We have districts, and you're required to register with your district.. If there's a district closer to your work, it still doesn't fly. It's based on your home address.. Which is also fine by me.. So I leave for work 45 min earlier, and stop there first.. No biggie. | 
10-03-2008, 09:08 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by KittenKoder Seattle is the district. If you widen the scope though, all Western Washington cities have at least one such mail center. Doesn't cost much to run one. It helps in so many ways, but voting registration is one. Also, I have known a lot of homeless in other cities find ways around that address requirement. My point is this, if someone really wants an address there are ways to get one even if you live on the streets. Austin has several. Where you live determines the races you are allowed to vote in.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Gunny Probably because it's just common sense, as I stated previously, you have to have a current address in order to register. The term "homeless" kind of settles that, huh? Actually, you do not have to have a HOME, and if you have a "location" where you can generally be found, and then a place where you can receive mail, that is all it takes!
They do not have to be the same. They just need to be in the same "local" area. You can live under a bridge, and have a P.O. box if there is no mail delivery under the bridge.
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10-03-2008, 09:10 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by KittenKoder However again, that right is balanced with a responsibility. The responsibility needs to be handed via an address. Though the two aren't linked in reality, they are in essence. No, its not. The right is given freely without demanding anything in return. It can be taken away only for committing felony crimes (something I also disagree with). Unfortunately it is taken away, in practice, by requiring things of some individuals that they just don't have. In many ways it is similar to the poll taxes of old. | 
10-03-2008, 09:12 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Larkinn No, its not. The right is given freely without demanding anything in return. It can be taken away only for committing felony crimes (something I also disagree with). Unfortunately it is taken away, in practice, by requiring things of some individuals that they just don't have. In many ways it is similar to the poll taxes of old. Wrong. It demands that you be at least 18 years of age, and have a legal address. | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by dilloduck Austin has several. Where you live determines the races you are allowed to vote in. Your point still seems ... lacking in this. | 
10-03-2008, 09:14 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Contessa_Sharra Actually, you do not have to have a HOME, and if you have a "location" where you can generally be found, and then a place where you can receive mail, that is all it takes!
They do not have to be the same. They just need to be in the same "local" area. You can live under a bridge, and have a P.O. box if there is no mail delivery under the bridge. Oh, that's what I forgot in mine, speaking of P.O.Boxes, you can get one for free if you are low income from the USPS. | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Shattered You're right. We have a right to vote so long as we're over the age of 18, and not a criminal. Now, when you can come up with a foolproof way for that to be done honestly, without cohersion, bribery, tampering, etc. you let me know. There is no foolproof way. Even going to the draconian measures I listed before is not foolproof. Nor would they do anything to stop bribery. Quote: Right now, proof of identity is required, and that's fine by me. Now, why would you have a problem with that? Afraid your sides not going to get enough votes if you don't drag homeless people off the street, and pay them? Proof of identity is different than having to have an address. Nice strawman there. And yes thats what I'm looking to do, encourage voter fraud  . No, actually I dislike the fact that the government doesn't allow people to vote based on property rights/income. I don't like the fact that someone here (Gunny) said that was acceptable and the way it should be. No, this isn't about voter fraud its about not disenfranchising the poor. | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by WillowTree I don't think their being homeless is the problem entirely. It is register and vote immediately that is the problem without verification. But then that is Dems for you. If they were picking up Republicans and driving them to vote for mcCain.. oh the outrage... hypocrites. | 
10-03-2008, 09:16 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Larkinn There is no foolproof way. Even going to the draconian measures I listed before is not foolproof. Nor would they do anything to stop bribery.
Proof of identity is different than having to have an address. Nice strawman there. And yes thats what I'm looking to do, encourage voter fraud  . No, actually I dislike the fact that the government doesn't allow people to vote based on property rights/income. I don't like the fact that someone here (Gunny) said that was acceptable and the way it should be. No, this isn't about voter fraud its about not disenfranchising the poor. Real proof of identity is not really different than having an address. Any schmuck can get a fake ID saying he's anyone he wants. It takes a little more work to combine that fake ID with mortgage papers, or a rental agreement.
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Quote: Originally Posted by DiamondDave Kit
This is really a good observation....
Many of the extremists just follow in lockstep with any rumor or slogan because it is like a flag waving rallying cry, attention whoring way to show where they stand.. it don't need to be a truth for them to feel better about their whack-job extremist stance
DIEBOLD, election stealing, dimpled chad, war for oil, Haliburton, etc ... great shouting material that fit right into the the hippie extremist mold of shouting anything for the sake of shouting, no matter how ignorant they are to the truth
And lord knows we see it from the extremist right on here too... KMAN being a prime example with many of the threads he starts Hey, I just want the government to get out of our way and go back to enforcing the constitution... If that means I am a right wing partisan hack then that's what I am... I would think everyone would want this but I guess I am wrong. | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Larkinn There is no foolproof way. Even going to the draconian measures I listed before is not foolproof. Nor would they do anything to stop bribery.
Proof of identity is different than having to have an address. Nice strawman there. And yes thats what I'm looking to do, encourage voter fraud  . No, actually I dislike the fact that the government doesn't allow people to vote based on property rights/income. I don't like the fact that someone here (Gunny) said that was acceptable and the way it should be. No, this isn't about voter fraud its about not disenfranchising the poor. Whoa there boss---the Democrats don't even think voters should have a valid voter ID.
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