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Do you think that by election day 2008 they will have finally figured out how to use a voting machine

I doubt it!

wow, the dems SCREAMED for these after 2000, now its all Bush's fault
my God people, is there ANYTHING that goes wrong in your life that ISN'T Bush's fault
i swear some of you people scream out "damn you Bush" when you stub a toe

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is that a black helicopter behind you?

duck!

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Does it bother you that the manufacturer admits that the software they wrote drops votes, and that those votes tend to be dropped in republican districts?

Does it bother you that this might hand the election to Obama unfairly? That it's too late to fix the problem before the general election? And, that the glitch can't be spotted after the fact.

I am surprised you aren't more outraged by this.


Ohio Voting Machines Contained Programming Error That Dropped Votes | The Trail | washingtonpost.com

yes, but if you guys had left things alone we wouldnt have this mess NOW
back after the 2000 elections you all screamed we had to go with electronic voting machines
well, we did, now you bitch about that
if you could only get your supporters to learn how to use a normal ballot this would never have happened

you can believe me when i say, conservatives did NOT want to be spending all this money on these machines

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Well, I agree. I never personally thought the ballots were bad before, what kind of idiot can't punch a card.

I am guesssing the people that raise a stank were a vocal minority and the rest of us just ignored them as wingnuts and it wouldn't matter in the end. It should be easy to make a secure electronic system.

There have been probably 8 - 10 or more demonstrated hacks on different machines from all the major vendors - all of which can be accomplished in seconds, few of which can be detected. They flip votes, drop votes, jam up, and the lack of a paper trail is just asinine. The Government Accountability Office and other groups have said that our elections are not secure.

I ignored the hanging chad and butterfly ballot thing, and I personally thought the electronic thing would be not rocket science. It looks like the manufacturers are either incompetent or corrupt.

secure is a misnomer
there are levels of security
nothing is perfect
the problem pointed out here is in the software itself and not a security issue
the diebold machines have several layers of security that most of these "exposes" you see on tv dont show you
you need to first have the KEY that opens the door to the flash card, then you also need the password
and even if you have BOTH of those, someone would SEE it if you tried it
they are NOT networked on a public interface so there is no risk of being hacked from outside

most of the crap i see thrown around is chicken little BS
oh, and the biggest group for that is the troofer numbnuts

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btw, every method of voting is subject to fraud
look at king county WA back a few years ago
they had 5000 paper ballots show up out of thin air

and they just happened to tilt the election to the favor of the democrat and pushed king county turn out over the 100% mark
funny how that is

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Well ya I agree there too.

But saying that no system is perfect is not a good reason to accept a machine that can be hacked. It's pathetic that the manufacturer has code that drops votes. I mean we are talking about POTUS. Pretty sure either side would be pissed if the wrong guy won unfairly.

We're allowed to try to improve the system.

Why not just get paper ballots and tick them???

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I think the original thinking about switching was to help americans with disabilities. Some disabilities (poor vision) are supposed to have an easier time with touch screen (you can change the font size, for example).....

again, the hack possibility is remote due to the fact of the several LAYERS it takes to get to them
they are NOT on any kind of a public network that would make them vulnerable
and if someone has both the key and the password, then someone isnt doing their job because the passwords were supposed to be changed on a regular basis

so then you are left with someone on the INSIDE doing the hacking, and then, what difference would it make if they hacked the machine or produced fake paper ballots

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The hack described in the OP can affect all machines countywide without a trace, which means the number of flipped votes is potentially much greater with an electronic sytem, and hacking an electronic system is harder to detect after the fact.

You can write a virus that makes sure the vote totals and all that remain correct - the virus can do all the math for you. If you are throwing an election in a punch-card district OTOH, getting the numbers of ballots right will be hard, the logistics are harder, and the time required to do it is much greater.

I'll take the old fashioned way.

The security key to get into some of these machines is a minibar key, and some people have made homemade keys that work on the machines, just using a picture on the internet.

Jimmy Daniels Blog Archive Homemade Key Opens Diebold AccuVote-TS Electronic Voting Machines

Basically every security measure that is supposed to be in place is easy to get past. And, the GAO even says the machines are fatally flawed.

Schneier on Security: GAO Report on Electronic Voting

(there's probably more recent reports than that one though. )

did you just miss the fact that you need more than the key to do it?
and again, they are NOT linked on a network so you would have to infect each machine separately

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randi rhodes said seek out the exit pollers to let them know who you voted for. if it is overwhelming and obvious who won, they can't lie.

seems like this palin pick was a bad pick. I heard stuff about her husband, doing government stuff from her office. Wasn't he a member of the alaska independence party that wants to leave america?

should have vetted her better.