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09-06-2008, 02:05 AM
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smart move. Expose the extreme rightwingism of McCain/Palin to the light of day. Quote: Obama Slams McCain/Palin on Reproductive Choice
Barack Obama has launched a broadside against John McCain’s opposition to abortion rights and moved one of the most divisive issues in modern American politics to the airwaves on a large scale for the first time in this presidential campaign.
Obama’s new radio ad, airing widely in at least seven swing states, tells voters McCain “will make abortion illegal.” It’s airing as McCain courts female voters with the addition of the staunchly anti-abortion governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin, to his ticket.
Democrats had, until now, sought to appeal to women primarily on economic issues such as health care and workplace discrimination; abortion rights were hardly mentioned at the Democratic National Convention in Denver last week. But women’s rights groups have been urging Obama to attack McCain on the issue, pointing to polling showing that some women who support McCain think he supports abortion rights.
In fact, the Arizona senator has long supported a ban on abortions, with exceptions for victims of rape and incest, and for pregnancies that threaten the life of the mother.
Palin has an even firmer anti-abortion stance: She would require rape and incest victims to carry their pregnancies to term. Obama ad slams McCain on abortion rights - Ben Smith - Politico.com  |
09-06-2008, 02:14 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Red Dawn  smart move. Expose the extreme rightwingism of McCain/Palin to the light of day.
Oh good ,cuz now Obama is going to get slammed with the BAIPA YEEHAAA!! Break out the popcorn!!!!!  |
09-06-2008, 02:57 AM
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Rep Power: 105 | | | Overturning Roe v. Wade doesn't make abortions illegal. It turns the matter over to the states, where it belongs.
Another attempt of the Obama camp at spreading lies and falsities hoping the ignorant legions of followers they have will believe it. Sadly, they will.
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09-06-2008, 03:39 AM
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Rep Power: 16 | | | Still, the nomination of supreme court justices for the purpose of tipping to the pro life base has broad ramifications in many other judicial areas. |
09-06-2008, 09:05 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by jsanders Overturning Roe v. Wade doesn't make abortions illegal. It turns the matter over to the states, where it belongs.
Another attempt of the Obama camp at spreading lies and falsities hoping the ignorant legions of followers they have will believe it. Sadly, they will.
Before Roe V Wade I think there were two states where a woman could legally get an abortion.
So Obama's point is basically valid. |
09-06-2008, 09:49 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by jsanders Overturning Roe v. Wade doesn't make abortions illegal. It turns the matter over to the states, where it belongs.
Another attempt of the Obama camp at spreading lies and falsities hoping the ignorant legions of followers they have will believe it. Sadly, they will. Look, no matter how you feel about it personally, and no matter who gets put in charge of deciding the "legality" of the practice, the technology we know as 'Abortion' is not going to just go away.
We will NEVER, on a national level, come to a popular consensus on the use of this technology. We, The People of the USA will forever be split 50 / 50 on this issue.
Perhaps we should decide on a State level?
If we can't come to consensus on the State level, perhaps we should decide on the use of this technology in the privacy of our own homes...
This is one of those passionate but pointless issues that are stupid to argue on a national level and that the MONEY behind both parties have used to maintain control over the sheep.
Abortion is a sheep-dog issue.
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09-06-2008, 10:02 AM
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Rep Power: 39 | | Quote: Another attempt of the Obama camp at spreading lies and falsities hoping the ignorant legions of followers they have will believe it. Sadly, they will. No, it's striking first on an religious issue the right has used for a wedge issue for many years. and sadly their ignorant legions of followers believed them. Oh, and right, your side never spreads falsities and lies.
The only way to beat the right is to fight them on the issues they will bring forward. They can't talk about the economy, international relations or other real political issues, so they choose the religious points.
I believe she even holds to preventing abortions even when the birth threatens the life of the mother. Hell, even the Catholic church isn't that radical. |
09-06-2008, 10:10 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by editec Before Roe V Wade I think there were two states where a woman could legally get an abortion.
So Obama's point is basically valid. Maybe technically vaild but the attempt is to scare women voters into thinking the GOP ticket intends to take away their "freedom to abort".
Did you here ANYTHING at all it the convention regarding the overturning of Roe V Wade ?
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09-06-2008, 10:23 AM
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Rep Power: 161 | | [quote=dilloduck;769220]Maybe technically vaild but the attempt is to scare women voters into thinking the GOP ticket intends to take away their "freedom to abort".[quote]
It's a scare tactic when the VP designate is saying just that? Quote: Did you here ANYTHING at all it the convention regarding the overturning of Roe V Wade ? Quote: Q: What are your views on abortion?
A: I am pro-life. With the exception of a doctor's determination that the mother's life would end if the pregnancy continued. I believe that no matter what mistakes we make as a society, we cannot condone ending an innocent life Source: Eagle Forum 2006 Gubernatorial Candidate Questionnaire Jul 31, 2006 |
09-06-2008, 10:25 AM
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Rep Power: 250 | | [quote=editec;769230][quote=dilloduck;769220]Maybe technically vaild but the attempt is to scare women voters into thinking the GOP ticket intends to take away their "freedom to abort". Yes ---that is what she believes---did she say anything about forcing YOU to believe that ?
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09-06-2008, 10:31 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by dilloduck Maybe technically vaild but the attempt is to scare women voters into thinking the GOP ticket intends to take away their "freedom to abort".
Did you here ANYTHING at all it the convention regarding the overturning of Roe V Wade ? no, but I also didn't hear anything about the economy, war on terror, health care or rising energy costs either...
does that mean they'll ignore those issues as well?
This could prove to be the most crucial election yet in terms of upholding Roe v Wade. Several liberal leaning justices are nearing retirment age and McCain has said he would appoint Judges that are pro-life.
dillo, I know you're not naive so why are you making the argument that a pro-life candidate for President wouldn't make the attempt to overturn Roe v Wade if elected just because they didn't mention it at the convention? Do you honestly think that or do you just think we're stupid enough to believe it?
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09-06-2008, 10:35 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Caligirl Still, the nomination of supreme court justices for the purpose of tipping to the pro life base has broad ramifications in many other judicial areas. true, but GOP has had the white house for 23 of the 35 years since R v W, and they've made no real attempt to overturn it, nor have they attempted to do anything legislatively
it's a manufactured wedge issue that works fantastically well for them in nat'l elections, the last thing they want is it to go to the states, because then they lose this big advantage in southern and lower midwestern states in pres elections
and great thing with values voters is no one expects action, never hear Ralph Reed or Pat Robertson complain about Reagan or Bushes not doing enough to fight abortion, campaign rhetoric is all they ask for |
09-06-2008, 10:37 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Silence no, but I also didn't hear anything about the economy, war on terror, health care or rising energy costs either...
does that mean they'll ignore those issues as well?
This could prove to be the most crucial election yet in terms of upholding Roe v Wade. Several liberal leaning justices are nearing retirment age and McCain has said he would appoint Judges that are pro-life. Which is possibly the BEST reason RVW should be overturned and sent back to the states to decide for themselves. When our Federal elections hinge on someones position on abortion we overlook several issues that are much broader in reach and more critical to our welfare.
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09-06-2008, 10:42 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Red Dawn smart move. I'm pro-choice, but don't think this is a good move strategically. Only firms up McCain for the swing voters in SE Ohio and rural Colorado.
Also, haven't seen any data that shows pro-choice Hillary voters moving to Mac because of a woman VP. Press has already made a big point of her being pro-life. Palin's real impact is exciting conservatives with a youthful, well-spoken candidate they haven't seen in decades, not bringing in Hillary voters.
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09-06-2008, 11:40 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by dilloduck Which is possibly the BEST reason RVW should be overturned and sent back to the states to decide for themselves. When our Federal elections hinge on someones position on abortion we overlook several issues that are much broader in reach and more critical to our welfare. I think RvW should be overturned and decided by the States as well, but there must be a guarantee protecting the States against a federal ban on abortion.
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