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09-03-2008, 11:17 PM
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09-04-2008, 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by onthefence I hope O'Reilly asks him if he still thinks the troop surge isn't working. | i'll be surprised if he gets to ask the questions we all want to hear asked. yo-bama wouldn't go on the show if o'reilly did ask those questions. i expect to hear many um and uh's from yo-bama, but hey..whats new? | 
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Originally Posted by chapstic i'll be surprised if he gets to ask the questions we all want to hear asked. yo-bama wouldn't go on the show if o'reilly did ask those questions. i expect to hear many um and uh's from yo-bama, but hey..whats new? |  LOL  You really think O'Reilly is gonna do that, do ya?  | 
09-04-2008, 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by CA95380  LOL  You really think O'Reilly is gonna do that, do ya?  | do what? ask questions that yo-bama pre-approves? yup i do. | 
09-04-2008, 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by onthefence the troop surge is working. | What does that even mean? Is there political reconciliation between Shia and Sunni?
If the surge is such a success, why does my son have to go back to Iraq next week? | 
09-04-2008, 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by chapstic do what? ask questions that yo-bama pre-approves? yup i do. | Oh well. Good luck!  | 
09-04-2008, 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by ignatov What does that even mean? Is there political reconciliation between Shia and Sunni?
If the surge is such a success, why does my son have to go back to Iraq next week? | Do even watch the news? Violence is down. Casualties are down. We turned over a province to the Iraqis. The insurrgency is dying, but it isn't dead yet. The surge is working. I
hate it that your son has to go back. Believe me when I say that I wish he didn't have to go. However, it is what he signed up for and I thank him for his service.
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09-04-2008, 03:27 AM
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Rep Power: 4 | | | What's the point? O'Reilly is going to throw a fit and turn off the mic like always.
But I'm still interested in watching it; the link at the top doesn't seem to work for me. Did it already get broadcasted?
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09-04-2008, 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ignatov What does that even mean? Is there political reconciliation between Shia and Sunni? If the surge is such a success, why does my son have to go back to Iraq next week? | Bingo! You win "Deal or No Deal"! I could not have asked a better question. Please let your son know there are still Americans that appreciate his service. | 
09-04-2008, 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Epsilon Delta What's the point? O'Reilly is going to throw a fit and turn off the mic like always.
But I'm still interested in watching it; the link at the top doesn't seem to work for me. Did it already get broadcasted? | It will be on Thursday night, the link is just to O'Reilly's website.
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09-04-2008, 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by onthefence It will be on Thursday night, the link is just to O'Reilly's website. | Ohhh, it's NEXT thursday?
edit: Oh crap, this whole day I was thinking it was thursday, but it's wednesday. Ok, sorry, disregard.
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09-04-2008, 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by onthefence The surge is working. | Is there political reconciliation between Shia and Sunni? Is that even likely?
If not, will there ever be peace in Iraq, unless one sect or the other is destroyed? Who's side are we on; the Shia (Iran) or the Sunni (al Qaeda)? Why are we even involved in this tribal dispute? Why are we spending 10 billion a month on this? Who thinks this is money well spent? Why do I even have to ask these questions?
If one makes an honest accounting the occupation of Iraq, what exactly is "working?" | 
09-04-2008, 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ignatov Is there political reconciliation between Shia and Sunni? Is that even likely? | No and yes Quote:
Originally Posted by ignatov If not, will there ever be peace in Iraq, unless one sect or the other is destroyed? | Yes, the cause of the sectarian "civil war" is the insurgency, once defeated, anything is possible Quote:
Originally Posted by ignatov Who's side are we on; the Shia (Iran) or the Sunni (al Qaeda)? | Neither, we are trying to stablize during a turbulent time, take away the terrorist insurgents and the infighting not much different than that of our nation during its birth Quote:
Originally Posted by ignatov Why are we even involved in this tribal dispute? | Because we caused it. Yes I said it. Had we not been there in the first place, the civil war would have never broken out. Of course, Saddam Hussein would be slaughtering people, but I guess that is pretty easy to forget about. Quote:
Originally Posted by ignatov Why are we spending 10 billion a month on this? | Because it is a worthy cause. A stable democracy in the Middle East could help stabilize the region. Quote:
Originally Posted by ignatov Who thinks this is money well spent? | I do. Quote:
Originally Posted by ignatov Why do I even have to ask these questions? | Questions are good. Its means you care. Quote:
Originally Posted by ignatov If one makes an honest accounting the occupation of Iraq, what exactly is "working?" | Let me be clear, that I was never sold on our reasonings for this war, but nevertheless we are there and our reasons don't matter anymore. Solutions and accomplishments are what matters. Saddam Hussein is no longer funding terrorism. The people of Iraq no longer live under a regime of oppression. There is a democracy in the Middle East. It is hard right now, but they will soon look back and realize that everything was for the best.
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09-04-2008, 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by onthefence The people of Iraq no longer live under a regime of oppression. | Saddam was a right bastard, I agree, but even so the Iraqis were better off living under his rule. One million Iraqis are dead since the invasion, and 4 million are displaced refugees. Under Saddam they had stability, and water and food and electricity. Not so now. Quote:
Originally Posted by onthefence There is a democracy in the Middle East. It is hard right now, but they will soon look back and realize that everything was for the best. | Yes, as soon as one side or the other has been exterminated.
But at least Western oil companies have been given the drilling rights, and that's what's important. Exxon Mobil uber alles. | 
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Originally Posted by ignatov Saddam was a right bastard, I agree, but even so the Iraqis were better off living under his rule. One million Iraqis are dead since the invasion, and 4 million are displaced refugees. Under Saddam they had stability, and water and food and electricity. Not so now.
Yes, as soon as one side or the other has been exterminated.
But at least Western oil companies have been given the drilling rights, and that's what's important. Exxon Mobil uber alles. | Stability ? 
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