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08-30-2008, 11:59 PM
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Rep Power: 1 | | | Eerie silence after the Democratic Convention It has only been two days after the Democratic Convention and if you listen to the news, it is almost like it never happened.
The news media has totally switched their attention from Obama to McCain and his VP pick.
Do you think that the Obama camp feels cheated by the McCain camp, because they did not get a chance to bask in the after-glow of "the speech"?
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08-31-2008, 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by cristal It has only been two days after the Democratic Convention and if you listen to the news, it is almost like it never happened.
The news media has totally switched their attention from Obama to McCain and his VP pick.
Do you think that the Obama camp feels cheated by the McCain camp, because they did not get a chance to bask in the after-glow of "the speech"? | The R convention starts next week when the conventions are this close together the bounce isn't so high. Now that they name the VP's before the conventions there is not the drought there used to be. I think The D's did fine. Even after Palin was named the polls show an Obama rise.
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08-31-2008, 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Inferno The R convention starts next week when the conventions are this close together the bounce isn't so high. Now that they name the VP's before the conventions there is not the drought there used to be. I think The D's did fine. Even after Palin was named the polls show an Obama rise. | Yes, he did receive a bounce of 4-5 points. But the Convention itself, just seems so yesteryear. Nobody is talking about it. | 
08-31-2008, 12:55 AM
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Rep Power: 32 | | | Obama received a nice bounce, nothing phenomenal, but a bounce. I think that this round of the fight definitely has to go to McCain. By picking an unknown, female candidate as his running mate he stunned the country and sucked the media away from what Obama's camp expected to be a weekend of good press.
Whether the "stunt" pays off is going to depend on whether Palin sinks or swims. If she holds her own in statements, public appearances, and most importantly - the VP debates, then McCain might gain voters because of Palin.
If she appears unready, nervous, unsure - then he will lose votes because of her.
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08-31-2008, 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by cristal Yes, he did receive a bounce of 4-5 points. But the Convention itself, just seems so yesteryear. Nobody is talking about it. | We live in the age of instant news. Years ago it would have taken days to have this much info about Palin so fast. Now it was out there in minutes. It is easy now to shift gears from one headline to the next. I see the bounce as positive because the conventions are close and the VP selection came on.
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08-31-2008, 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by cristal It has only been two days after the Democratic Convention and if you listen to the news, it is almost like it never happened.
The news media has totally switched their attention from Obama to McCain and his VP pick.
Do you think that the Obama camp feels cheated by the McCain camp, because they did not get a chance to bask in the after-glow of "the speech"? | Do they feel cheated ????
Look at them screaming bloody murder !! You're damn right they feel cheated !  
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Originally Posted by dilloduck Do they feel cheated ????
Look at them screaming bloody murder !! You're damn right they feel cheated !   | I was listening to a local radio station and the DJ, who had just returned from the Democratic Convention, kept mentioning, that he was not planning on being on the air that day, but did so, so that he could be a voice for the Obama camp. He also kept mentioning how, the McCain's camp is getting all of the attention and that they will not let people forget about "the speech" and the convention.
What I sensed was fear emanating from Obama's supporters, over McCain's pick. They viewed it, as a reactive decision and that is why they kept trumpeting Obama's "great speech" as a way of keeping it alive. They pretty much blamed the media and McCain's camp, for killing what was supposed to be the "after glow".
The McCain's camp took the Obama camp by surprise and left them reeling. He really blindsided them with his pick.
I say it was a great strategic move by the McCain camp.
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Originally Posted by jsanders There was a convention? Where? Was it a Star Wars convention? | LOL.
It seemed more like New Year Eve to me, with all of that confetti.
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Originally Posted by cristal I was listening to a local radio station and the DJ, who had just returned from the Democratic Convention, kept mentioning, that he was not planning on being on the air that day, but did so, so that he could be a voice for the Obama camp. He also kept mentioning how, the McCain's camp is getting all of the attention and that they will not let people forget about "the speech" and the convention.
What I sensed was fear emanting from Obama's supporters, over McCain's pick. They viewed it, as a reactive decision and that is why they kept trumpeting Obama's "great speech" as a way of keeping it alive. They pretty much blamed the media and McCain's camp, for killing what was supposed to be the "after glow".
The McCain's camp took the Obama camp by surprise and left them reeling. He really blindsided them with his pick.
I say it was a great strategic move by the McCain camp. | Palin is a novelty act. Had the tables been turned and Obama picked Jennifer Granholm as his running mate right after the RNC, the news would have had non-stop coverage for several days. The novelty WILL wear off and Obama-McCain will be the focus once again. A VP won't necessarily win you an election but it will help you lose one. If I were a Democrat, I'd certainly feel safer going into the VP debates with a proven guy like Biden than someone like Palin who's unproven in the national spotlight. That was not a great "strategic" pick, that was a great "now" pick. Strategy denotes long term and I'm not so sure you guys are getting a battle tested running mate, capable of looking Presidential.
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Originally Posted by Dirt McGirt Palin is a novelty act. Had the tables been turned and Obama picked Jennifer Granholm as his running mate right after the RNC, the news would have had non-stop coverage for several days. The novelty WILL wear off and Obama-McCain will be the focus once again. A VP won't necessarily win you an election but it will help you lose one. If I were a Democrat, I'd certainly feel safer going into the VP debates with a proven guy like Biden than someone like Palin who's unproven in the national spotlight. That was not a great "strategic" pick, that was a great "now" pick. Strategy denotes long term and I'm not so sure you guys are getting a battle tested running mate, capable of looking Presidential. | Did you say "unproven"? She is the the Gov. of Alaska. I would not exactly call that unproven.
I would reserve that however, for Senator Obama. | 
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Rep Power: 1 | | | Palin shares a lot of characteristics with Obama in the experience department.
What legislation has Obama led through Congress in his first two years as Senator? There is all these talk about leadership about Obama. Yet i never hear of some kind of bill that has some kind of impact for Americans that Obama led through Congress.
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Originally Posted by clazona Palin shares a lot of characteristics with Obama in the experience department. |
Neither are ready to be President, but she's not running for President. He is.
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Originally Posted by cristal Did you say "unproven"? She is the the Gov. of Alaska. I would not exactly call that unproven.
I would reserve that however, for Senator Obama. | Obama has held his own against John Edwards, Joe Biden, Bill Richardson, and Hillary Clinton in numerous live debates and national talk shows. Obama has also engaged in an extensive smear fest with both McCain and Clinton and still leads in the polls. Obama IS battle tested on the national stage. What exactly do you have besides Governor of Alaska that you can point to that ensures Palin won't studder and look like a fool when debating Joe Biden, especially on matters of foreign policy or national security?
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Originally Posted by Dirt McGirt Obama has held his own against John Edwards, Joe Biden, Bill Richardson, and Hillary Clinton in numerous live debates and national talk shows. Obama has also engaged in an extensive smear fest with both McCain and Clinton and still leads in the polls. Obama IS battle tested on the national stage. What exactly do you have besides Governor of Alaska that you can point to that ensures Palin won't studder and look like a fool when debating Joe Biden, especially on matters of foreign policy or national security? | Why would you care if she did make a fool of herself against Biden? That solidifies an Obama win. I'll guess we'll have to wait and see.
And, I think Clinton and Biden decimated Obama in the debates. All Obama did was repeat back what his opponents said.
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