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08-30-2008, 05:37 PM
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Rep Power: 2 | | | Why are guns so important to Americans? I am very anti gun. I think they should all be collected and melted down to make something useful. When i say this most people look at me like I am crazy. You may too. I just want to know why people feel the need to have them. Please explain this need if you would be so kind.
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08-30-2008, 05:40 PM
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Rep Power: 0 | | | It's a Right protected by the Constitution. Besides, I like to hunt and participate in recreational target shooting. | 
08-30-2008, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Sunni Man It's a Right protected by the Constitution. Besides, I like to hunt and participate in recreational target shooting. | Yes I know it is a right. I just want to know this is one of those rights that people will go to the wall for.
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08-30-2008, 05:49 PM
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Rep Power: 15 | | | I am not a fan of guns either ... but the law was made before thugs and criminals took advantage of it with their AK-47's. I agree with what Obama said in his speech about it. | 
08-30-2008, 05:51 PM
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Rep Power: 0 | | | Since it is a Right listed in the founding document of our country.
A majority of Americans would see banning guns as a personal attack on their freedoms and liberity. | 
08-30-2008, 05:54 PM
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Rep Power: 166 | | | Weapons insure that the people will be able to protect themselves, their neighbors, their communities, their States and their Country. A populace denied the right to own weapons are nothing more than subjects to be ordered about at the whim of said Government, with no means to resist or fight back.
And as for the AK-47 comment, what a joke, so few of them are used in crimes as to be meaningless.
And yes I and millions more will go to the wall for our right to own weapons. And the Supreme Court agrees.
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08-30-2008, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by CA95380 I am not a fan of guns either ... but the law was made before thugs and criminals took advantage of it with their AK-47's. I agree with what Obama said in his speech about it. | I have really no problem with someone hunting. I state the extreme of my position. I think that something does need to be done to curb violence in the streets. But with so many people worried about gun control it is hard to make it happen.
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08-30-2008, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by RetiredGySgt And as for the AK-47 comment, what a joke, so few of them are used in crimes as to be meaningless.
And yes I and millions more will go to the wall for our right to own weapons. And the Supreme Court agrees. | You take everything so literal! If you did not see what I meant then you are blind as well as being a "COF"
I am sure our founding father's did not think "Six Shooter's" would be used in the West to rob "Stage Coaches", either! You get my point now?  | 
08-30-2008, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Inferno I have really no problem with someone hunting. I state the extreme of my position. I think that something does need to be done to curb violence in the streets. But with so many people worried about gun control it is hard to make it happen. | Gun control only disarms law abiding citizens it does nothing to stop criminals from getting weapons. In fact higher crime rates occur in places with the most restrictive gun laws. Why? Cause the criminals know they have little chance of being confronted by an armed victim.
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08-30-2008, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RetiredGySgt Gun control only disarms law abiding citizens it does nothing to stop criminals from getting weapons. In fact higher crime rates occur in places with the most restrictive gun laws. Why? Cause the criminals know they have little chance of being confronted by an armed victim. | In a case like this if no one was allowed gun ownership if they took them all would you be okay with that?
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08-30-2008, 06:05 PM
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Rep Power: 1 | | | If there were a way to gather all the guns in the world.....then your solution would apply.....but even after that.....they would be remade.
Guns will NEVER go away.....and because of that.....I will remain armed.
An unarmed society.....consists of subjects.
A armed society......consists of free people.
How this doesn't make sense to some people Devy's logic.
Why is it so hard to understand that the second amendment helps to protect the "Right" to free speech that you excercise on this very board.....let alone all the other freedoms we have.
Its easy.....
Don't try to kill me or I'll shoot you.
Don't try to unlawfully take my home , kids etc....or I'll shoot you.
Don't rape my wife.....or I'll shoot you....better yet.....she'll shoot you.
Don't invade our country.....or we'll all shoot you.
Don't tread on me!!!! Don't try to make me a subject.
If all men are created equal.......my gun is an equalizer.
I never want to use my self defense gun for its intended purpose....never.
But I likewise can not fathom what tool is better if the purpose is necessitated.
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08-30-2008, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Inferno In a case like this if no one was allowed gun ownership if they took them all would you be okay with that? | In the UK they have taken away guns from basically everyone.
In the last few years, knife attacks and stabbings have become epidemic. | 
08-30-2008, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Inferno In a case like this if no one was allowed gun ownership if they took them all would you be okay with that? | No, for several reasons. One you can not disarm everyone and you sure can not stop guns from being smuggled in. Also disarming the public ensures that eventually the Government will take advantage of their inability to protect themselves.
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08-30-2008, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Sunni Man In the UK they have taken away guns from basically everyone.
In the last few years, knife attacks and stabbings have become epidemic. | Exactly! Then when they take away the knives, we go back to making weapons out of stone, and other materials. The incarcerated criminals are already doing it in prison. They stay one step ahead of law enforcement and the law, so they are prepared to be released.
Getting rid of guns will not solve anything. IMHO. | 
08-30-2008, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Sunni Man In the UK they have taken away guns from basically everyone.
In the last few years, knife attacks and stabbings have become epidemic. | Gun crimes have also gone WAY up over there.
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