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08-29-2008, 12:00 PM
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Let us keep that promise — that American promise — and in the words of Scripture hold firmly, without wavering, to the hope that we confess
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Anyone care to explain what the end of Obama's speech means ?
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08-29-2008, 12:07 PM
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Rep Power: 205 | | | It means he wants the thumpers to support Dems. |
08-29-2008, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Ravi  It means he wants the thumpers to support Dems. | thanks, dudette ! sorta what I thought
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"But though there is no difference in this respect between the best demagogue and the worst, both of them having to present their cases equally in terms of melodrama, there is all the difference in the world between the statesman who is humbugging the people into allowing him to do the will of God, in whatever disguise it may come to him, and one who is humbugging them into furthering his personal ambition and the commercial interests of the plutocrats who own the newspapers and support him on reciprocal terms."
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08-29-2008, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by dilloduck thanks, dudette ! sorta what I thought | Another big negative, IMO, for Barak. |
08-29-2008, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Ravi Another big negative, IMO, for Barak. | shhhhh it was sorta slipped in at the end there----I think it was supposed to be a subliminal thing. There's that little problem with church and state, you know.
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"But though there is no difference in this respect between the best demagogue and the worst, both of them having to present their cases equally in terms of melodrama, there is all the difference in the world between the statesman who is humbugging the people into allowing him to do the will of God, in whatever disguise it may come to him, and one who is humbugging them into furthering his personal ambition and the commercial interests of the plutocrats who own the newspapers and support him on reciprocal terms."
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08-29-2008, 12:23 PM
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Rep Power: 205 | | | Actually, since the convention was paid for with donations, I think he's allowed to push religion. |
08-29-2008, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Ravi Actually, since the convention was paid for with donations, I think he's allowed to push religion. | ahhh those technicalities
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"But though there is no difference in this respect between the best demagogue and the worst, both of them having to present their cases equally in terms of melodrama, there is all the difference in the world between the statesman who is humbugging the people into allowing him to do the will of God, in whatever disguise it may come to him, and one who is humbugging them into furthering his personal ambition and the commercial interests of the plutocrats who own the newspapers and support him on reciprocal terms."
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08-29-2008, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Ravi Actually, since the convention was paid for with donations, I think he's allowed to push religion. | The next time you talk to him would you ask him exactly what that means ? Quote: |
and in the words of Scripture hold firmly
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"But though there is no difference in this respect between the best demagogue and the worst, both of them having to present their cases equally in terms of melodrama, there is all the difference in the world between the statesman who is humbugging the people into allowing him to do the will of God, in whatever disguise it may come to him, and one who is humbugging them into furthering his personal ambition and the commercial interests of the plutocrats who own the newspapers and support him on reciprocal terms."
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08-29-2008, 12:40 PM
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Rep Power: 10 | | | Well, his religiosity disturbs me (let's argue ethics not religion, in politics) but the phrase surely means that in his opinion people should vote out of a positive inclination (hope) rather than a negative inclination, (fear).
He certainly appeals to our better instincts, I'll give him that, and it's damn refreshing and one reason I think he is a refreshing change from the past 18 years or more on both sides. |
08-29-2008, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Caligirl Well, his religiosity disturbs me (let's argue ethics not religion, in politics) but the phrase surely means that in his opinion people should vote out of a positive inclination (hope) rather than a negative inclination, (fear).
He certainly appeals to our better instincts, I'll give him that, and it's damn refreshing and one reason I think he is a refreshing change from the past 18 years or more on both sides. | HUH ? His biggest push is fear. We are reminded daily how we should fear four more years of Bush like policies. Liberals do the same thing here.
There's an awful lot of scripture out there--If you could find out which scripture it is that we are to hang on to, I might be able to tell what he meant by that.
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08-29-2008, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Ravi I'm surprised you never learned to google. | google will tell me which scripture Obama was talking about ????
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08-29-2008, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Ravi Yep | sweet--here goes !
( I'll be back--don't be afraid )
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"But though there is no difference in this respect between the best demagogue and the worst, both of them having to present their cases equally in terms of melodrama, there is all the difference in the world between the statesman who is humbugging the people into allowing him to do the will of God, in whatever disguise it may come to him, and one who is humbugging them into furthering his personal ambition and the commercial interests of the plutocrats who own the newspapers and support him on reciprocal terms."
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08-29-2008, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by dilloduck sweet--here goes !
( I'll be back--don't be afraid ) | WOW--your right--I found it right off the bat !! Quote:
The Hussein Creed
We believe in one Lord, Barry Obama,
the chosen Son of Daley,
eternally forgotten by his angry Father,
And hippie Mother.
Through Barry
all things were made.
For us and for our condescension.
He came down from Harvard,
was incarnate of the Spirit of Hyannis port and the Viper Michelle
and became truly human.
As was proven in the Pennsylvania Debate.
He will come in glory to demand the living and the dead,
get to the polls.
And trash who ever he feels is in his way,
while smiling and handing out cash and jobs.
And his kingdom will have no end.
Once we take over the military.
We believe in the Holy Media, the giver of lies,
who proceeds from the Lord,
We believe in one holy Democratic and Socialist Church.
Which we will only attend if the Pastor is
not videotaped.
We look for the Resurrection of the Dead
on voting rolls across swing states.
And demand tenure at mediocre universities
with full benefits and down time to
write for Mother Jones
and some tiny poetry journals
and get faded in our Jacuzzis
and complain about how unfair everything is.
Now and Forever
Amen.
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