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Old 05-13-2014, 09:44 PM
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40 vets died waiting 6- months or longer for vital healthcare. Healthcare mind you ran entirely by the government. And you think national healthcare is going to be better.

How dumb do you have to be to believe this?
In YOUR state. By a political crony appointed at the behest of YOUR republican governor.
Administered by a democrat white house and their choice for the head of the VA but yes that is pretty much my point.

If this is the best a government run healthcare system can be in a pro-military, pro-conservatism state how bad will it get under any administration when we are all forced into this type of system?

This is government run healthcare in a nut shell. We've been telling you people this forever and have numerous left wing idiots use the VA as an example of how healthcare should be run. Well, this is how government healthcare is run. You still want more of it?
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40 vets died waiting 6- months or longer for vital healthcare. Healthcare mind you ran entirely by the government. And you think national healthcare is going to be better.

How dumb do you have to be to believe this?
In YOUR state. By a political crony appointed at the behest of YOUR republican governor.


The VA transferred her to each place, moving her like the Catholic Church does pedophiles due to one scandal after another:

Here is her history ( 7 year period BTW) :

First moved into position here:

VA in Roseberg, Ore

then transferred BY THE VA to :

Jonathan M. Wainwright Memorial VA Medical Center, Walla Walla, WA
( Scandal firing top dogs and using them as scapegoats for her screw-ups)

Then THE VA transferred her to:

Spokane WA VA Center
( found to be lying about soldiers committing suicide on her watch and underreporting numbers to the VA)

Then THE VA transferred her to:

Hines, Illinois VA Center ( more firings of top dogs and scandals)

and finally the VA transferred her to:

Arizona VA. where she Kills 40 plus veterans in less than 1 year.



If Brewer supposedly appointed her, which is not true, why in the hell was she still employed by the US Department of Affairs and given gleaming reviews with scandal after scandal? Why didn't Shinseki fire her ass?

Brewer appoints the Director of Arizona Department of Veterans Affairs, Governor Jan Brewer appointed Ted Vogt to that position. Brewer does not appoint individual hospital directors such as the Phoenix VA Health Care System, Helman was suspended from.

Why do you think there are demands by Eric Shinseki for her resignation and then also demands by the public, senators and VA officials for Eric Shinseki to resign? Its because he allowed her to stay, scandal after scandal and moved her to each VA Heath Care System.

http://signatureflip.com/avm/azvmag/...20Veterans.pdf ( page 5)

Yakima Herald Republic | Suspended VA director drew ire in Walla Walla

Arizona VA boss accused of covering up veterans' deaths linked to previous scandal | Fox News

PVAHCS Welcomes New Health Care System Director Ms. Sharon Helman

3 on leave over allegations on Phoenix vet care | Arizona Capitol Times
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^^^^ Pure horse crap. Republicans always stay within allotted spending? Come on, man....
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vets have been treated poorly forever by all administrations....anyone who believes otherwise is a fool
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folk this is thinkno progress

get that title...they're not worried vets are dying, they're worried Obama is being accused of it

but it's was ok for them to say Bush KILLED blah blan blah
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well, it's looks like that R was right

they can't be bothered to look into it. But a botched execution in a state, or some jury trial on Trayvon Martin, etc.... they are right on top of it


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Eric Holder: No Plans at DOJ to Investigate Secret Waiting Lists and Veteran Deaths at VA Hospitals


3:07 PM, May 13, 2014 • By JOHN MCCORMACK
Attorney General Eric Holder said Tuesday that the Department of Justice doesn't have any plans to investigate allegations that veterans placed on secret waiting lists at VA hospitals died while waiting for care.




"Well, obviously these reports if they're true are unacceptable, and the allegations are being taken very seriously by the administration. But I don't have any announcements at this time with regard to anything that the Justice Department is doing," Holder told reporters at a press conference.

ALL of it here
Eric Holder: No Plans at DOJ to Investigate Secret Waiting Lists and Veteran Deaths at VA Hospitals | The Weekly Standard
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40 vets died waiting 6- months or longer for vital healthcare. Healthcare mind you ran entirely by the government. And you think national healthcare is going to be better.

How dumb do you have to be to believe this?
I posted a link a while back about the hundreds of thousands of people who died as a result of mediocre care from private hospitals and physicians.

Want me to dig it up?
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Democrats are okay with these deaths. Veterans are all terrorists anyway.

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40 vets died waiting 6- months or longer for vital healthcare. Healthcare mind you ran entirely by the government. And you think national healthcare is going to be better.

How dumb do you have to be to believe this?
I posted a link a while back about the hundreds of thousands of people who died as a result of mediocre care from private hospitals and physicians.

Want me to dig it up?
And?

Tell me what that has to do with Veterans dying because they were denied appointments? Tell me what that has to do with Vets going to the ER and being denied emergency appointments with their PCMs after the ER visit? Tell me what that has to do with Veterans being exposed time after time to AIDS, HEP C and other contagious, deadly diseases because the VA refused to follow standards?

Tell me what PRIVATE hospitals has to do with Veterans? Not a damn thing. They signed on the dotted line with promises from the Government to care for their bodies after being used and abused by the military. This is part of their contract.

Sometimes I believe they just don't care in many a case, the payout for a veterans death is capped at 240,000 for hospital and doctor screw-ups resulting in death. Instead of treating the patient correctly they go the 'cheap' route. You have a vet with yet another case of ALS (Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis) AKA Lou Gehrig's disease (Vets get the disease at a rate of 2 times the national average) its cheaper to let him die than to treat him for 20 plus years, delay his appointments, use dirty needles... Sounds like a conspiracy eh? Why does the VA keep doing it over and over and over?


Vets are exposed to deadly diseased by the hundreds and thousands each year because the VA does not follow standards.



Hiding an epidemic of suicides happening in the VA hospital was blamed on..."pervasive mismanagement of the hospital’s mental health unit" 2010

Lawmakers call for VA hospital changes following fourth suicide | www.ajc.com

700 insulin needles reused on Vets exposing them to Hepatitis. 2013

Veterans Affairs woes not just regional concern | TribLIVE

VA Pittsburgh had water quality test results showing the presence of Legionella bacteria in its Oakland hospital five years before the outbreak which killed 6 Vets. They never cleaned it up. 2013

Read more: Veterans Affairs woes not just regional concern | TribLIVE



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In the VA hospital in Columbia, S.C., veterans waited for months for procedures such as colonoscopies, delaying their diagnosis and treatment. At least six veterans are believed to have died as a result.
1,800 Veterans Exposed to HIV & Hepatitis 2010

Veterans Exposed to HIV & Hepatitis ? CNN Newsroom - CNN.com Blogs

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[B]In February, the VA began warning about [B]10,000 former patients in Georgia, Tennessee and Florida - some who had colonoscopies and other endoscopic procedures as far back as 2003 - that they may have been exposed to infections. They were advised to get blood tests for HIV and hepatitis.

Oh and after the VA finally informed the 10,000 Vets above, there were Veterans who were not informed to be tested even tho they had colonoscopies during the same timeframe. The Vets called and the VA denied them tests stating they were not eligible. Then the VA sent letters finally telling the vets they were mistaken they were supposed to be tested. 4 died just as a result of that second mistake. Forget the first 10,000.

Lawmakers Blast VA Over Bad Colonoscopies - CBS News




Shinseki KNEW in 2009 more than half of his hospitals could not pass inspection and also knew that same half did not have proper training. I could write another 100 examples, it never ends, they don't given a damn or just don't know how to handle healthcare for 5 million people. And that's scary IMO.

Medical care for U.S. veterans 'not good enough': Pentagon chief | Reuters
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Why don't you call it a phony scandal?
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Given that the military and retired military tend not to vote Democrat is it any wonder that Obama might not wish to squander any "care" resources on them?
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... CALLER: I’m a veteran and that’s just unbelievable. [Obama] has just pillaged veterans, and the veterans some of them are standing up saying, ‘I like the guy.’ But he is killing them. He is killing them, he doesn’t even know it.

FLEMING: Well again that’s true. That’s the reason why our founding fathers created a government that was a tripartite one in which there are checks and balances. But right now it’s not functioning that way. You just have a president that goes out willy nilly ad-libing it all the time, doing things to really appeal to his base, for political purposes and all of these unintended consequences all of these people who are being injured and damaged as a result of it, this is real lives that are being hurt by this president who’s main interest is just to promote his agenda and his political aims. [...]

HOST: We were just running a news thing of people being upset at the veterans, I guess there have been a rash of people dying. They feel like they’re not getting the care they need. That’s why you mentioned earlier, this could be the new system.

FLEMING: This is the type of thing you would see from Obamacare, a centralized system that when you have the president making all of the decisions, whose motivations may not be necessarily the best at all times....
Why don't some rw's care that they're being lied to?

OR -

My bet is that the dumb ones believe this crap.
Let me get this straight, Bush was responsible for the VA killing vets when he was president, but Obama is totally innocent.

All I have to say to that is, **** off scumbag.
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Hell's bells the American Legion is calling for Shinseski to resign. This is nasty.

And all the idiot can do is promise to have "better communication".

Mr. Shinseki said his reaction to such criticism is "to redouble my efforts and make sure there's good communication."

Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki Says He Won't Resign - WSJ.com
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JoeBlow (In case you are wondering, I make over that between my three jobs, which puts me in the middle 20%.)...MOFO is ALWAYS posting, what's he got 3 jobs on the net?
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