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WE get it you're pro-terrorist and anti-American. Isn't going to stop them from coming at us for what ever reason.

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The US invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention ongoing drone strikes from Pakistan to Yemen, have radicalized an entire generation of young Muslims; which may prove the one thing you can't afford to run out of is enemies if you're getting rich from eternal war.
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People like George believes that there isn't people wanting to kill Americans? That we shouldn't fight back...

Like we shouldn't invest in our military!

He probably believes we shouldn't even invest in our own ****ing country....Likely another losertrian!
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We've become the World Police.

We're willing to spend money to police foreign cities..........but cutting money to police our own cities.

Martial law will be inevitable in our future. For economic reasons, not violent ones.
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Money, power, war. This has been going on since humans first inhabited the earth. What's the story here?
In fact, war hasn't been going on "since human first inhabited the earth."
It's a fairly recent development that arrived about the same time as the first private fortunes.





Bull****. Wars are fought by Chimpanzees too. Ants fight wars...it's called human nature, the only modern facet is the disgusting group of people who profit from the weapons they create.
It is the profit motive that seems to separate humans from chimps and ants.
Maybe a 100% death tax on all war profits after the first innocent civilian dies would solve that problem?
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Hes right. Defense industry needs war to profit.
And guess what there will always be war. Either from us or another large country such as Russia or china.

Read history and tell me why we shouldn't have a large military.
A large standing army doesn't necessarily require an empire to fund it.
The Pentagon could pay for itself by organizing the rebuilding of US infrastructure, turning large private defense contractors into non-profits in the process.
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The United States has a LONG history of RELUCTANTLY entering into armed conflicts against other countries, after all other options have been exhausted.

There are a few exceptions, in which the United States sought to PROTECT freedom-loving people from the threat of tyranny, or sought to LIBERATE freedom-loving people from tyrannical rule.

Georgie prefers to either IGNORE history or inject his own brand of REVISIONIST history into the conversation.

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In fact, war hasn't been going on "since human first inhabited the earth."
It's a fairly recent development that arrived about the same time as the first private fortunes.





Bull****. Wars are fought by Chimpanzees too. Ants fight wars...it's called human nature, the only modern facet is the disgusting group of people who profit from the weapons they create.
It is the profit motive that seems to separate humans from chimps and ants.
Maybe a 100% death tax on all war profits after the first innocent civilian dies would solve that problem?



Chimps profit too. They just get to keep a particular bush or tree that puts out fruit they like, etc. Conflict occurs because one group has something that the other group wants, be it land, mineral wealth, water, food or geographically important areas.

All wars and all conflict is about profit. And how predictable, a 100% tax, imposed by whom? How would they collect? The only thing the tax man would get is a bullet between the eyes. Really, try and THINK sometime.
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People like George believes that there isn't people wanting to kill Americans? That we shouldn't fight back...

Like we shouldn't invest in our military!

He probably believes we shouldn't even invest in our own ****ing country....Likely another losertrian!
Since 1945 the US has killed and maimed and displaced millions of human beings from Korea to Kosovo; how many of those millions posed any threat to the US homeland?
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The United States has a LONG history of RELUCTANTLY entering into armed conflicts against other countries, after all other options have been exhausted.

There are a few exceptions, in which the United States sought to PROTECT freedom-loving people from the threat of tyranny, or sought to LIBERATE freedom-loving people from tyrannical rule.

Georgie prefers to either IGNORE history or inject his own brand of REVISIONIST history into the conversation.
I'm sure the millions of Indians murdered for their lands and water would be happy to testify to the RELUCTANCE of the US to enter into armed conflicts after all other options had been exhausted.
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Bull****. Wars are fought by Chimpanzees too. Ants fight wars...it's called human nature, the only modern facet is the disgusting group of people who profit from the weapons they create.
It is the profit motive that seems to separate humans from chimps and ants.
Maybe a 100% death tax on all war profits after the first innocent civilian dies would solve that problem?



Chimps profit too. They just get to keep a particular bush or tree that puts out fruit they like, etc. Conflict occurs because one group has something that the other group wants, be it land, mineral wealth, water, food or geographically important areas.

All wars and all conflict is about profit. And how predictable, a 100% tax, imposed by whom? How would they collect? The only thing the tax man would get is a bullet between the eyes. Really, try and THINK sometime.
"The accounting of the financial cost of the nearly decade-long Iraq War will go on for years, but a recent analysis has shed light on the companies that made money off the war by providing support services as the privatization of what were former U.S. military operations rose to unprecedented levels.

"Private or publicly listed firms received at least $138 billion of U.S. taxpayer money for government contracts for services that included providing private security, building infrastructure and feeding the troops.

"Ten contractors received 52 percent of the funds, according to an analysis by the Financial Times that was published Tuesday.

"The No. 1 recipient?

"Houston-based energy-focused engineering and construction firm KBR, Inc. (NYSE:KBR), which was spun off from its parent, oilfield services provider Halliburton Co. (NYSE:HAL), in 2007.

"The company was given $39.5 billion in Iraq-related contracts over the past decade, with many of the deals given without any bidding from competing firms, such as a $568-million contract renewal in 2010 to provide housing, meals, water and bathroom services to soldiers, a deal that led to a Justice Department lawsuit over alleged kickbacks, as reported by Bloomberg."

Hopefully, **** Cheney is at the front of that bullet-between-the-eyes line.

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It is the profit motive that seems to separate humans from chimps and ants.
Maybe a 100% death tax on all war profits after the first innocent civilian dies would solve that problem?



Chimps profit too. They just get to keep a particular bush or tree that puts out fruit they like, etc. Conflict occurs because one group has something that the other group wants, be it land, mineral wealth, water, food or geographically important areas.

All wars and all conflict is about profit. And how predictable, a 100% tax, imposed by whom? How would they collect? The only thing the tax man would get is a bullet between the eyes. Really, try and THINK sometime.
"The accounting of the financial cost of the nearly decade-long Iraq War will go on for years, but a recent analysis has shed light on the companies that made money off the war by providing support services as the privatization of what were former U.S. military operations rose to unprecedented levels.

"Private or publicly listed firms received at least $138 billion of U.S. taxpayer money for government contracts for services that included providing private security, building infrastructure and feeding the troops.

"Ten contractors received 52 percent of the funds, according to an analysis by the Financial Times that was published Tuesday.

"The No. 1 recipient?

"Houston-based energy-focused engineering and construction firm KBR, Inc. (NYSE:KBR), which was spun off from its parent, oilfield services provider Halliburton Co. (NYSE:HAL), in 2007.

"The company was given $39.5 billion in Iraq-related contracts over the past decade, with many of the deals given without any bidding from competing firms, such as a $568-million contract renewal in 2010 to provide housing, meals, water and bathroom services to soldiers, a deal that led to a Justice Department lawsuit over alleged kickbacks, as reported by Bloomberg."

Hopefully, **** Cheney is at the front of that bullet-between-the-eyes line.

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None of which refutes a single thing I stated now does it.
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Uh yeah, Russia invaded their weaker neighbor under the lies of "liberating oppressed Russians" when the entire invasion is a Wag the Dog event by Putin to distract the masses from his weak economy and growing debt.

He figures stealing land and resources from Ukraine will save the Russian economy....just like Hitler did back in 1938.
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The trick here is to find a balanced perspective...

Yes, a hungry Military-Industrial Complex exists...

Yes, we feed it from time to time...

Yes, the casus belli for going into Iraq was bull**** from the onset...

No, the casus belli for going into Afghanistan was not bull****, but as close to righteous as one can get, when killing one's fellow Man...

We simply and stupidly allowed Iraq to take our eye off the ball in Afghanistan, and ended-up staying in Afghanistan years longer than we should have...

As to a new generation of Radicalized Muslims...

**** 'em...

The United States will not allow such pissants to dictate our foreign policy to us, nor whom we may befriend or be allies with, and whom we may not...

We have exacted a horrific price from the Muslim world, for its attack upon us...

If they attack again, they are going to get much worse, and they understand that now...

Don't mess with us, and we won't mess with you...

Get in our faces again and kill more of our people and you will think Iraq and Afghanistan were picnics by comparison...

The choice is entirely yours...
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Chimps profit too. They just get to keep a particular bush or tree that puts out fruit they like, etc. Conflict occurs because one group has something that the other group wants, be it land, mineral wealth, water, food or geographically important areas.

All wars and all conflict is about profit. And how predictable, a 100% tax, imposed by whom? How would they collect? The only thing the tax man would get is a bullet between the eyes. Really, try and THINK sometime.
"The accounting of the financial cost of the nearly decade-long Iraq War will go on for years, but a recent analysis has shed light on the companies that made money off the war by providing support services as the privatization of what were former U.S. military operations rose to unprecedented levels.

"Private or publicly listed firms received at least $138 billion of U.S. taxpayer money for government contracts for services that included providing private security, building infrastructure and feeding the troops.

"Ten contractors received 52 percent of the funds, according to an analysis by the Financial Times that was published Tuesday.

"The No. 1 recipient?

"Houston-based energy-focused engineering and construction firm KBR, Inc. (NYSE:KBR), which was spun off from its parent, oilfield services provider Halliburton Co. (NYSE:HAL), in 2007.

"The company was given $39.5 billion in Iraq-related contracts over the past decade, with many of the deals given without any bidding from competing firms, such as a $568-million contract renewal in 2010 to provide housing, meals, water and bathroom services to soldiers, a deal that led to a Justice Department lawsuit over alleged kickbacks, as reported by Bloomberg."

Hopefully, **** Cheney is at the front of that bullet-between-the-eyes line.

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None of which refutes a single thing I stated now does it.
I suppose that depends on how many "Chimp Corporations" you can point to
Rival collectives of chimps may or may not choose to share scarce resources vital to their survival, but individual chimps seldom amass large private surpluses by convincing "patriotic" simians to slaughter and displace millions of their fellow creatures.

Individual humans on the other hand have a psychopathic fringe, from the ancient monarchs to today's global investment bankers, politicians, and generals, who are perfectly willing to murder, maim, and displace millions of their fellow creatures in order to control land, minerals, wealth, water, and food that are in no way vital to their physical survival.

Chimps don't seem capable of the same level of institutionalized corruption as humans


"As private enterprise entered the war zone at unprecedented levels, the amount of corruption ballooned, even if most contractors performed their duties as expected.

According to the bipartisan Commission on Wartime Contracting in Iraq and Afghanistan, the level of corruption by defense contractors may be as high as $60 billion.

"Disciplined soldiers that would traditionally do many of the tasks are commissioned by private and publicly listed companies.

Even without the graft, the costs of paying for these services are higher than paying governement employees or soldiers to do them because of the profit motive involved.

"No-bid contracting when companies get to name their price with no competing bid didn't lower legitimate expenses. (Despite promises by President Barack Obama to reel in this habit, the trend toward granting favored companies federal contracts without considering competing bids continued to grow, by 9 percent last year, according to the Washington Post.)

"Even though the military has largely pulled out of Iraq, private contractors remain on the ground and continue to reap U.S. government contracts.

For example, the U.S. State Department estimates that taxpayers will dole out $3 billion to private guards for the government's sprawling embassy in Baghdad."

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Uh yeah, Russia invaded their weaker neighbor under the lies of "liberating oppressed Russians" when the entire invasion is a Wag the Dog event by Putin to distract the masses from his weak economy and growing debt.

He figures stealing land and resources from Ukraine will save the Russian economy....just like Hitler did back in 1938.
"Wag the Dog" in Ukraine began with the US and EU supporting Neo-Nazis in the streets of Kiev.

Right now, it's far more likely some of those same Neo-Nazis will steal Russian gas being transported through western Ukrainian pipelines

All the violence that's currently wracking Ukraine stems from pushing NATO's borders to the very edge of the Russian Federation. Putin can't allow that anymore than the Pentagon could permit Russia to garrison Mexico.
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