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Yes, but it should only be split into 3 states 3 15.79%
Yes, but it should only be split into 2 states 2 10.53%
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California's Split Personality: Should it split into 6 new states?

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Tim Draper (a Silicon Valley-based investor) wants to add a proposition to the 2014 California ballot to split California into 6 new states, which would each have their own state governments and their own 2 Senators.

Should it be done?

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Six states seems unnecessary, but I think folks in the Inland Empire and the inland rural areas in the central and northern parts of the state have a good case to be made for wanting to split off from the coast. Right now the state is being run according to interest of the coastal folks and their priorities are not the same as the inland folks and in many cases the laws and regulations they have passed have hurt the livelihood of the rural parts of the state. I think splitting the state in two is justified if that's what people want, although it is very unlikely to happen any time in the near future.
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It won't happen.

Approval would require congressional approval. The addition of ten new senators (yes, six "new" states" but elimination of the "old" one, hence a total of 12 of which 10 would be additional) would dilute the Senate and diminish the power of other pre-existintg states.

Depending on the size of each of the six "new" states there might also be some dilution in The House though probably not.

So The House might buy it but it would never survive The Senate no matter which party were in majority at the time.
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If other big staes split up as well as I said in this post. A New Constitution
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Politically, it would be pick up in the House and Senate for the Republicans.
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crazy times we live in

multiple states want to break apart and some want to leave.

I think HI is voting on leaving the union. considering the ****ty economy they have, they'd be ****ed
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Six states is crazy, and going way too far.

Two states is reasonable though. Northern CA and Southern CA are extremely different, way more different then North and South Dakota are.
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Six states is crazy, and going way too far.

Two states is reasonable though. Northern CA and Southern CA are extremely different, way more different then North and South Dakota are.
That might be workable but only if it were possible to allow those two states just ONE senator each and keep the total number of representatives the same as it is now. Especially if it's an odd number (California IS sorta odd) and one had to be split down the middle. Physically.
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That would bring us up to 63 states
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Six states is crazy, and going way too far.

Two states is reasonable though. Northern CA and Southern CA are extremely different, way more different then North and South Dakota are.
That might be workable but only if it were possible to allow those two states just ONE senator each and keep the total number of representatives the same as it is now.
Well, it's not possible and frankly that's a stupid idea anyway. Why should the two hypothetical states of North and South California only have one U. S. Senator when their populations would still be higher than most of the other 49?
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I have no problem if they want to reorganize themselves into six states. Let them govern themselves as they choose.
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Six states is crazy, and going way too far.

Two states is reasonable though. Northern CA and Southern CA are extremely different, way more different then North and South Dakota are.
That might be workable but only if it were possible to allow those two states just ONE senator each and keep the total number of representatives the same as it is now.
Well, it's not possible and frankly that's a stupid idea anyway. Why should the two hypothetical states of North and South California only have one U. S. Senator when their populations would still be higher than most of the other 49?
Oh, I agree, that won't happen. But the creation of even TWO new Senate seats would queer the deal for the rest of The Senate who would see their power diluted. If the total number of senators remained constant (as would the number of representatives, that being population based) then enough present senators might be convinced to let it happen.

I could see The Senate agreeing to let two states consolidate and therefore a reduction of two senate seats since that would increase the power of those remaining.

But it's not about power - it's about service.

I mean, isn't it?????
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No. The whole state should be walled around and forgotten.
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