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The GOP should have put a plan on the table along these lines:

1. Raise the Medicare eligibility age to 70, and then index it to 9 percent of the population. We are living decades longer than our ancestors, we should be working longer.

2. Get government OUT of the healthcare business as much as possible. It is completely ****ed up the government is in the healthcare business AND gets to write the rules affecting its private sector competitors.

3. Eliminate the tax exemption for employer-sponsored health insurance. Employer-sponsored health insurance bends the cost of healthcare up, and it should be discouraged as much as possible.


I should be buying my health insurance the same way I buy my auto, home, and life insurance. If I lose my job, I don't automatically lose my auto, home, or life insurance.

That is what the Right should be banging on and on and on about. Not some stupid temporary web site glitch.

Idiots.
They actually plans like that. Guess what? The Dems torpedoed them, swearing the GOP was throwing grandma out o n the street.
Two serious flaws in your argument.

First, the GOP did not attempt any legislation with these provisions.

Second, the Republicans torpedoed HillaryCare, but it did not stop the Democrats from continuing to bang the drum until they got what they wanted.

So they never had an opportunity to pass anything about healht care.
That's two propositions of your blown to hell. You should quit while behind.
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I can tell you about the Bush proposal. The real problem is that, even if I did, you would deny it exists.

Bush Health Care Plan Seems to Fall Short (washingtonpost.com)
Never got to Congress. Never got passed. Even though they had all the power.

Would not have solved much if it did. It was weak.

Bush and the GOP abdicated all responsibility to the Democrats.
They had a filibuster proof majority in the Senate? When? For how long?
Are you really that ignorant of the fact the GOP never even tried?

Never. Tried. Period.
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And? And people still aren't signing up for coverage. New York enrolled how many? Yeah, zero.
New York had 40,000 sign up as of October 9.

California, New York enroll 68K while brokers still struggle - Articles - Health Insurance Exchange
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There are plenty of alternative solutions on the table, none of which will ever be recognized by you because you think Obama is god.
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I think no such thing.

I will recommend to you the same thing I have asked every other deluded soul to do. Start asking everyone you meet what the GOP plan is for solving the decades-old problem of skyrocketing healthcare costs.

Ask them what the GOP did when it had all the power.

You will get shrugs. Nothing but shrugs.

The GOP plan is, "Repeal Obamacare." Then...nothing. Silence.

Don't believe me? Accept my challenge and find out for yourself.

As for my not knowing the GOP plan that exists, I actually do know it. I am not saying the GOP does not have a plan. They are just doing their best to keep it a secret.

How do we know this?

Because almost no one knows what their alternate solution is. That's how. And when they had the chance to do something, they did NOTHING.

So the American people are being ****ed by the GOP and by the Democrats. You only see one side of the coin because you cannot face the WHOLE truth.
In 2 or 3 years from now, Republicans will introduced a bill that amends the ACA fixing several problems, adds tort reform, abortion provisions, some tax cuts for the wealthy and will call it healthcare reform and the country will move on to other problems.
Pretty much.
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And? And people still aren't signing up for coverage. New York enrolled how many? Yeah, zero.
New York had 40,000 sign up as of October 9.

California, New York enroll 68K while brokers still struggle - Articles - Health Insurance Exchange
Yeah, that's a lie.
Zero Obamacare Enrollments in New York | National Review Online
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The GOP should have put a plan on the table along these lines:

1. Raise the Medicare eligibility age to 70, and then index it to 9 percent of the population. We are living decades longer than our ancestors, we should be working longer.

2. Get government OUT of the healthcare business as much as possible. It is completely ****ed up the government is in the healthcare business AND gets to write the rules affecting its private sector competitors.

3. Eliminate the tax exemption for employer-sponsored health insurance. Employer-sponsored health insurance bends the cost of healthcare up, and it should be discouraged as much as possible.


I should be buying my health insurance the same way I buy my auto, home, and life insurance. If I lose my job, I don't automatically lose my auto, home, or life insurance.

That is what the Right should be banging on and on and on about. Not some stupid temporary web site glitch.

Idiots.
They actually plans like that. Guess what? The Dems torpedoed them, swearing the GOP was throwing grandma out o n the street.
Two serious flaws in your argument.

First, the GOP did not attempt any legislation with these provisions.

Second, the Republicans torpedoed HillaryCare, but it did not stop the Democrats from continuing to bang the drum until they got what they wanted.

So they never had an opportunity to pass anything about healht care.
That's two propositions of your blown to hell. You should quit while behind.
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Yes of course they did.
Two, And rightly so. Hillarycare was almost as much a fiasco as Obamacare. That wasn't a flaw in my argument, btw. I'd suggest a course in remedial logic.
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And? And people still aren't signing up for coverage. New York enrolled how many? Yeah, zero.
New York had 40,000 sign up as of October 9.

California, New York enroll 68K while brokers still struggle - Articles - Health Insurance Exchange
Yeah, that's a lie.
Zero Obamacare Enrollments in New York | National Review Online
They have enrolled. The state is verifying the information the applicants filled out. Isn't that one of the gripes from the Right, that there was no verification process?

Looks like there is. At least in New York.

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They actually plans like that. Guess what? The Dems torpedoed them, swearing the GOP was throwing grandma out o n the street.
Two serious flaws in your argument.

First, the GOP did not attempt any legislation with these provisions.

Second, the Republicans torpedoed HillaryCare, but it did not stop the Democrats from continuing to bang the drum until they got what they wanted.

So they never had an opportunity to pass anything about healht care.
That's two propositions of your blown to hell. You should quit while behind.
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Yes of course they did.
Two, And rightly so. Hillarycare was almost as much a fiasco as Obamacare. That wasn't a flaw in my argument, btw. I'd suggest a course in remedial logic.
Irony. You guys have completely failed to show any attempt whatsoever by the GOP to reform the rising cost of healthcare. No matter how much smoke you throw up, this is a simple fact.
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Two serious flaws in your argument.

First, the GOP did not attempt any legislation with these provisions.

Second, the Republicans torpedoed HillaryCare, but it did not stop the Democrats from continuing to bang the drum until they got what they wanted.


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Yes of course they did.
Two, And rightly so. Hillarycare was almost as much a fiasco as Obamacare. That wasn't a flaw in my argument, btw. I'd suggest a course in remedial logic.
Irony. You guys have completely failed to show any attempt whatsoever by the GOP to reform the rising cost of healthcare. No matter how much smoke you throw up, this is a simple fact.
no, it is not. it is a lie.
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The GOP managed to start two wars, double the national debt, create a massive new Cabinet department, and deregulate the **** out of Wall Street.

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Yes of course they did.
Two, And rightly so. Hillarycare was almost as much a fiasco as Obamacare. That wasn't a flaw in my argument, btw. I'd suggest a course in remedial logic.
Irony. You guys have completely failed to show any attempt whatsoever by the GOP to reform the rising cost of healthcare. No matter how much smoke you throw up, this is a simple fact.
no, it is not. it is a lie.
Then show me the Act where they reformed it!
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Oh, and the GOP managed to pass two major tax reforms!

"Bush tax cuts". Ring a bell with anyone?

But nothing on health care, except Medicare Group D to get votes from seniors, and which added more cost to the federal budget.

But...but...but...they didn't have a filibuster proof Senate!...BWA-HA-HA-HA!
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It’s arguably the favorite myth of progressives, the oft-repeated claim that Republicans have no health plan. Hence, President Obama was fully justified in ignoring them and proceeding to enact a comprehensive health reform law on a strict party line vote—something completely unprecedented in American political history.

the comprehensive healthcare reform plans introduced by GOP go as far as by 2003:

Comprehensive Republican health reform plans introduced in Congress

Let’s start with 5 comprehensive health reform proposals that have actually been introduced in Congress—some well before President Obama even was nominated for president, and all months before the House (11/7/09) or Senate (12/24/09) voted on what eventually became Obamacare.

Ten Steps to Transform Health Care in America Act (S. 1783) introduced by Senator Mike Enzi (R-WY) July 12, 2007.http://www.enzi.senate.gov/public/in...formHealthCare
Every American Insured Health Act introduced by Senators Richard Burr (R-NC) and Bob Corker (R-TN) with co-sponsors Tom Coburn (R-OK), Mel Martinez (formerly R-FL) and Elizabeth Dole (formerly R-NC) on July 26, 2007.http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/...c-99a4a227bd3a
Senators Bob Bennett (R-UT) and Ron Wyden (D-OR) introduced the Healthy Americans Act on January 18, 2007 and re-introduced the same bill on February 5, 2009.Healthy Americans Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Patients’ Choice Act of 2009 introduced by Senators Tom Coburn (R-OK) and Richard Burr (R-NC) and Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) and Devin Nunes (R-CA) on May 20, 2009.http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/...6-fc195a833884
H.R. 2300, Empowering Patients First Act introduced July 30, 2009 by Rep. Tom Price (R-GA).
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Seriously? The Republicans Have No Health Plan? - Forbes
It’s arguably the favorite myth of progressives, the oft-repeated claim that Republicans have no health plan. Hence, President Obama was fully justified in ignoring them and proceeding to enact a comprehensive health reform law on a strict party line vote—something completely unprecedented in American political history.

the comprehensive healthcare reform plans introduced by GOP go as far as by 2003:

Comprehensive Republican health reform plans introduced in Congress

Let’s start with 5 comprehensive health reform proposals that have actually been introduced in Congress—some well before President Obama even was nominated for president, and all months before the House (11/7/09) or Senate (12/24/09) voted on what eventually became Obamacare.

Ten Steps to Transform Health Care in America Act (S. 1783) introduced by Senator Mike Enzi (R-WY) July 12, 2007.http://www.enzi.senate.gov/public/in...formHealthCare
Every American Insured Health Act introduced by Senators Richard Burr (R-NC) and Bob Corker (R-TN) with co-sponsors Tom Coburn (R-OK), Mel Martinez (formerly R-FL) and Elizabeth Dole (formerly R-NC) on July 26, 2007.http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/...c-99a4a227bd3a
Senators Bob Bennett (R-UT) and Ron Wyden (D-OR) introduced the Healthy Americans Act on January 18, 2007 and re-introduced the same bill on February 5, 2009.Healthy Americans Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Patients’ Choice Act of 2009 introduced by Senators Tom Coburn (R-OK) and Richard Burr (R-NC) and Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) and Devin Nunes (R-CA) on May 20, 2009.http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/...6-fc195a833884
H.R. 2300, Empowering Patients First Act introduced July 30, 2009 by Rep. Tom Price (R-GA).
http://tomprice.house.gov/sites/tomp...%20Section.pdf

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