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The world doesn't exist in a 'right and wrong' paradigm. That's fantasy.

The world, especially the political world, exists in a model of perception.

Does the House have the ability to force the Stuttering Clusterfuck to shut down the government?

Yes.

Would it be right and proper for them to do it?

Yes.

Would the DISGUSTING FILTH in the LSM crucify them for it?

Yes, yes, and HELL YES!!

Between the Stuttering Clusterfuck having a Bully Pulpit and the DISGUSTING FILTH in the LSM lying like the scumbags they are.... We get killed.

It is sheer stupidity to want to commit suicide in order to satisfy some childish notion of right and wrong.

Remember something -- The winner is ALWAYS right. Always.

Always.

We need to WIN, not to make stupid and self-destructive 'statements'

Winning is right.

Losing is wrong.

dimocraps figured this out centuries ago. It's time we did too.

It's too bad that right and wrong have become foreign concepts in the political world, but they have.

You can thank dimocrap scum for that
I don't consider Obamacare some childish fight. I consider it very destructive to our economy.
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false premise. there is no reason to shut down any govt functions except obamacare. All other govt functions can be fully funded and can operate as usual. Just no funding for obamacare.
I understand that but I'm also aware the dems will push it to that point to keep Obamacare. Resulting in some services being shut down at the very least. So I think the premise is accurate.
Should the gop be willing to do what it takes to achieve the goal of killing this job and freedom restricting bill?
yes, but I don't think they will
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so was slavery at one time. so was the prohibition of women voting.

all laws are not good laws. ACA is terrible legislation, probably the worst in our history
No, the worst in history was the constitution shredding patriot act from W and the GOP trash. Not to mention the ACA hasn't even gone into effect yet, so claiming is terrible legislation is just parroting right wing BS.
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The problem is what right considers nonessential.
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The GOP needs to get their heads out of their asses and stop acting like a bunch of 3 years throwing a pissy fit because they didn't get their way (even though the individual mandate was a republican plan to begin with)

The affordable care act is the law of the land, deal with it.
so was slavery at one time. so was the prohibition of women voting.

all laws are not good laws. ACA is terrible legislation, probably the worst in our history
No, the worst in history was the constitution shredding patriot act from W and the GOP trash. Not to mention the ACA hasn't even gone into effect yet, so claiming is terrible legislation is just parroting right wing BS.
dimcrap scum voted for the Patriot Act. dimocrap scum also voted for its extension.

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You gotta be a special kind of dumbass to blame Republicans exclusively for the PAtriot Act.

And who's abusing it?

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Warren Buffet is now saying to scrap this bill. The union is against it too. Who exactly is FOR this bill?
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Bureaucrats...as long as they're not SUBJECT to it.
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so was slavery at one time. so was the prohibition of women voting.

all laws are not good laws. ACA is terrible legislation, probably the worst in our history
No, the worst in history was the constitution shredding patriot act from W and the GOP trash. Not to mention the ACA hasn't even gone into effect yet, so claiming is terrible legislation is just parroting right wing BS.
dimcrap scum voted for the Patriot Act. dimocrap scum also voted for its extension.

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You gotta be a special kind of dumbass to blame Republicans exclusively for the PAtriot Act.

And who's abusing it?

dimocraps

You're an idiot
Go look at the voting record for the patriot act renewals. Only about 1/3 of the democrats supported it, but virtually all of the GOP and "pro constitution!" teabaggers voted for it.

If it wasn't for the america hating right wingers, the patriot act never would have been created in the first place, let alone would have been done with years ago.
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Warren Buffet is now saying to scrap this bill. The union is against it too. Who exactly is FOR this bill?
This is another case of dimocrap scum putting politics ahead of people.

If they let this bill die, if they let the ACA go the way of the Dodo bird, it will make them look bad. Republicans will use it against for a long time.

Just like the Stuttering Clusterfuck's "Red Line" remark, they'll take this to the wall while denying responsibility the whole time.

You gotta understand something people....

We see others and we can only judge through the prism of our own eyes. We only know our very own deep down feelings, our very own morality and our very own honor.

We can NOT think with the mind of a criminal, of a traitor, of a loser or of a dirtbag.

The only way to try to understand dimocraps is to understand something -- These people really are dirtbags.

They're not like us. They don't think like us, they don't act like us, they don't want the same things as us, they don't have honor like we do, they don't have a work ethic, they don't know anything other than deception, misdirection, dishonesty and corruption.

Once you concede that, everything else falls into line. It becomes so much easier to understand them and to deal with them.

You start thinking they're just "Good people with bad ideas" and you're gonna lose every time.

They're not. I'm telling you..... They're not.

A few are, but they're in the minority. I'm talking 5% tops.
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No, the worst in history was the constitution shredding patriot act from W and the GOP trash. Not to mention the ACA hasn't even gone into effect yet, so claiming is terrible legislation is just parroting right wing BS.
dimcrap scum voted for the Patriot Act. dimocrap scum also voted for its extension.

the Stuttering Clusterfuck signed the Patriot Act extension into law

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With almost no debate, the Democratic leadership in Congress pushed through an unamended extension of the USA Patriot Act’s most notorious provisions, granting sweeping powers to eavesdrop and seize library, Internet and other personal records of US citizens.
Democrats vote to renew Patriot Act - World Socialist Web Site

You gotta be a special kind of dumbass to blame Republicans exclusively for the PAtriot Act.

And who's abusing it?

dimocraps

You're an idiot
Go look at the voting record for the patriot act renewals. Only about 1/3 of the democrats supported it, but virtually all of the GOP and "pro constitution!" teabaggers voted for it.

If it wasn't for the america hating right wingers, the patriot act never would have been created in the first place, let alone would have been done with years ago.
You're a liar.

Republicans had ZERO control in 2010. None. Zero. Nada. Zilch.

You're a dishonest moron
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The GOP should be willing to shut down nonessential government functions, whatever that means, because they're nonessential.
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No, the worst in history was the constitution shredding patriot act from W and the GOP trash. Not to mention the ACA hasn't even gone into effect yet, so claiming is terrible legislation is just parroting right wing BS.
dimcrap scum voted for the Patriot Act. dimocrap scum also voted for its extension.

the Stuttering Clusterfuck signed the Patriot Act extension into law

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With almost no debate, the Democratic leadership in Congress pushed through an unamended extension of the USA Patriot Act’s most notorious provisions, granting sweeping powers to eavesdrop and seize library, Internet and other personal records of US citizens.
Democrats vote to renew Patriot Act - World Socialist Web Site

You gotta be a special kind of dumbass to blame Republicans exclusively for the PAtriot Act.

And who's abusing it?

dimocraps

You're an idiot
Go look at the voting record for the patriot act renewals. Only about 1/3 of the democrats supported it, but virtually all of the GOP and "pro constitution!" teabaggers voted for it.

If it wasn't for the america hating right wingers, the patriot act never would have been created in the first place, let alone would have been done with years ago.
Obama signed it, dipshit. He could have vetoed it, but he signed the extension. So now I guess you hate obama as much as you hate Bush for the patriot act-------if not, then you are a disengenuous liar and have no right posting with adults who can actually think for themselves.
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Yes or no and what do you believe the ramifications would be? And I don't mean lost elections. Individual political seats are not more important than the health (not medical) of our nation as a whole.
The dems screamed the sky was falling when the thought of sequester wasmentioned. Reality showed different.

Im sick of the gop being forced to "go along" just to keep the gun away from their heads. This is a bipartisan mess overall and im sick of the dems getting a free pass. If the govt shuts down it will be because BOTH sides refused to compromise. BOTH

Congress is there to fulfill the will of the people not FUCKING KING OBAMA.

I say fuck these stupid games and play hardball. Sadly I don't think Boehner has the spine required to do what's right.
I see that you have fallen victim to the Liberal Lie pushed by the Liberals and the MSM.

It won't be the Republicans who shut down the Government over the defunding of Obama-care.... It would be Obama who shut down the Government over the defunding of Obama-care.

The Republicans, if they are brave enough, actually were to pass a funding bills for every part of the Government except Obama-care, they didn't shut down the Government.

If the Democrats in the Senate and Obama refuse to pass or sign the bill, they are the ones who refused to fund the Government because one portion didn't get funded.
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The problem is what right considers nonessential.
No the problem is what the left considers essential.

The Federal Governments purpose was for a national defense and to regulate interstate commerce, and few other things. Anything beyond that is non-essential.
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I also suggest all of you Patriotic Americans look at the votes on page 1.

Know who's voting yes?

Mostly leftists and a few hard line Conservatives.

Know why the leftists are voting 'yes'?

They WANT this fight. They KNOW it will end the Republican Party and our chances for a decent human being to take Office in 2016 and for us to take control of the Congress in 2016.

the DISGUSTING FILTH in the LSM will CRUCIFY us for 'shutting down the government'

It won't be us shutting it down, it will be the Stuttering Clusterfuck, but guess what?

the DISGUSTING FILTH in the LSM will blame us and IT WILL STICK!!!

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