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Old 06-28-2013, 02:44 PM
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"...Off the topic Kondor3, I've been wondering... what did you do with Kondor 1 and 2?..."
They were bad Kondors... evil Kondors... so I killed them...

Seriously... I'm the 3rd of my line... with the pompous Roman Numeral for three... III... as the suffix to my name... and when I chose 'Kondor' for a handle (long ago, elsewhere), and when the website wanted a number embedded in the user ID someplace, I just kinda naturally tossed the "3" at the tail-end of the handle, and it stuck...

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"...Wouldn't involve Paula Deen and a whole lotta butter, would it?
Nahhhh... she's not my type... and I don't do butter...
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Maybe because racism continues to permeate our society...blatantly and subtly...
And mostly among minorities and libtards.
The word "libtards" is intelligist. That's a hate crime right there.
That was funny.

Damn, Pogo, might have to get rid of that voodoo doll I have of you.....nah.
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Shouldn't these people be in prison?
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She said my favorite word.

NIGGER, NIGGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER'sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

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She said my favorite word.

NIGGER, NIGGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER, NIGGER'sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

It rolls off my tongue so nicely.
Hey Matthew, some ass hole hacked into your account.

Might want to report that.
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Artificial Lamestream Media -initiated shark feeding frenzies like the Paula Deen situation do not BEGIN life as 'political' but they quickly MORPH INTO something political...

This happens as the legal or societal controls over the media manifest themselves or otherwise become visible or clear, and as accountability-for-damage-done and the justice (or lack thereof) of the situation and all of the other aspects of such events come under scrutiny and discussion, some of which gain traction, and some of which do not...

To say that the Paula Deen Incident was 'policital' on Day One might have been a bit of a stretch, but as Day One unfolds, and spills over into other days, and as folks bring more aspects of legality and media-freedoms and accountability and pro-and-con political patterns to bear, it quickly BECOMES political...

As it has long-since become, by now...
sorry can't rep you for that...well said....

what liberals like Pogo don't understand is how Democrats have used PC opportunities like this to further their racial demogoguery in order to keep the black vote....which in the long run really hurts blacks more than it helps them...

to put things in historical perspective.....it was Republicans who pushed equal rights for blacks (during the Civil War and afterwards) for years and years while the segregationist Democrats fought the various Republican civil rights bills tooth-and-nail until eventually they saw the writing on the wall and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed (overall with 82% Republicans and 66% Democrats).....which the Democrats then came to herald as THEIR legislative success and created the lie that THEY were the civil rights activists who saved the blacks from the treacherous Republicans....and have been doing so ever since...
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Artificial Lamestream Media -initiated shark feeding frenzies like the Paula Deen situation do not BEGIN life as 'political' but they quickly MORPH INTO something political...

This happens as the legal or societal controls over the media manifest themselves or otherwise become visible or clear, and as accountability-for-damage-done and the justice (or lack thereof) of the situation and all of the other aspects of such events come under scrutiny and discussion, some of which gain traction, and some of which do not...

To say that the Paula Deen Incident was 'policital' on Day One might have been a bit of a stretch, but as Day One unfolds, and spills over into other days, and as folks bring more aspects of legality and media-freedoms and accountability and pro-and-con political patterns to bear, it quickly BECOMES political...

As it has long-since become, by now...
sorry can't rep you for that...well said....

what liberals like Pogo don't understand is how Democrats have used PC opportunities like this to further their racial demogoguery in order to keep the black vote....which in the long run really hurts blacks more than it helps them...

to put things in historical perspective.....it was Republicans who pushed equal rights for blacks (during the Civil War and afterwards) for years and years while the segregationist Democrats fought the various Republican civil rights bills tooth-and-nail until eventually they saw the writing on the wall and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed (overall with 82% Republicans and 66% Democrats).....which the Democrats then came to herald as THEIR legislative success and created the lie that THEY were the civil rights activists who saved the blacks from the treacherous Republicans....and have been doing so ever since...
What trolls like Screamer don't understand is that they live on fallacies. The basic one here, scraping for some way to stretch an employment practices suit into a political football; the secondary one being yet another trip to the Revisionist History well:

Quote:
and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed (overall with 82% Republicans and 66% Democrats
>> By party and region

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)

Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%) << (Wiki)

Total House: 156 D - 130 R (55%D - 45%R)
Total Senate: 46 D - 27 R (59%D - 41%R)
Total Congress: 202 D - 157 R (56%D - 44%R)

You actually think nobody will call 'bullshit' when you lie?

The Revisionistas Greatest Shits:
  • "FDR caused the Great Depression"
  • "Obama caused the 2008 Recession"
  • "The KKK was founded by Democrats"
  • "The Republican Party was founded by Thomas Jefferson"
  • "Hitler was a liberal"
  • Republicans passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964"

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Quote: Originally Posted by Kondor3 View Post
Artificial Lamestream Media -initiated shark feeding frenzies like the Paula Deen situation do not BEGIN life as 'political' but they quickly MORPH INTO something political...

This happens as the legal or societal controls over the media manifest themselves or otherwise become visible or clear, and as accountability-for-damage-done and the justice (or lack thereof) of the situation and all of the other aspects of such events come under scrutiny and discussion, some of which gain traction, and some of which do not...

To say that the Paula Deen Incident was 'policital' on Day One might have been a bit of a stretch, but as Day One unfolds, and spills over into other days, and as folks bring more aspects of legality and media-freedoms and accountability and pro-and-con political patterns to bear, it quickly BECOMES political...

As it has long-since become, by now...
sorry can't rep you for that...well said....

what liberals like Pogo don't understand is how Democrats have used PC opportunities like this to further their racial demogoguery in order to keep the black vote....which in the long run really hurts blacks more than it helps them...

to put things in historical perspective.....it was Republicans who pushed equal rights for blacks (during the Civil War and afterwards) for years and years while the segregationist Democrats fought the various Republican civil rights bills tooth-and-nail until eventually they saw the writing on the wall and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed (overall with 82% Republicans and 66% Democrats).....which the Democrats then came to herald as THEIR legislative success and created the lie that THEY were the civil rights activists who saved the blacks from the treacherous Republicans....and have been doing so ever since...
What trolls like Screamer don't understand is that they live on fallacies. The basic one here, scraping for some way to stretch an employment practices suit into a political football; the secondary one being yet another trip to the Revisionist History well:

Quote:
and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed (overall with 82% Republicans and 66% Democrats
>> By party and region

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)

Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%) << (Wiki)

Total House: 156 D - 130 R (55%D - 45%R)
Total Senate: 46 D - 27 R (59%D - 41%R)
Total Congress: 202 D - 157 R (56%D - 44%R)

You actually think nobody will call 'bullshit' when you lie?

The Revisionistas Greatest Shits:
  • "FDR caused the Great Depression"
  • "Obama caused the 2008 Recession"
  • "The KKK was founded by Democrats"
  • "The Republican Party was founded by Thomas Jefferson"
  • "Hitler was a liberal"
  • Republicans passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964"

"War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery"...
and most usefully,
"Ignorance is Strength"
you really need to get a grip on history and stop drinking the leftist KoolAid...

you conveniently ignore the fact that there were FAR MORE DEMOCRATS....the Bill would have never passed unless it got the HIGH PERCENTAGE of Republican votes...the Republican vote was VITAL to its passage...

Quote:
Even so, one final element was essential to passage of the civil rights bill—the strong support of Republicans. Although Democrats had a historically large majority in the House of Representatives with 259 members to 176 Republicans, almost as many Republicans voted for the civil rights bill as Democrats.

The final vote was 290 for the bill and 130 against. Of the “yea” votes, 152 were Democrats and 138 were Republicans. Of the “nay” votes, three-fourths were Democrats. In short, the bill could not have passed without Republican support.

As Time Magazine observed, “In one of the most lopsidedly Democratic Houses since the days of F.D.R., Republicans were vital to the passage of a bill for which the Democratic administration means to take full political credit this year.”

A similar story is told in the Senate.

Who Opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964? | Stan Collender's Capital Gains and Games
and just look at the leaders....Senator Dirkson (R-IL) had been a long-time leader and advocate for all the various civil rights bills he tried to push forward......while Senator Byrd (D-WV) held one of the longest filibusters on record against it....President Johnson came to finally support the bill only because he was smart enough to see the writing on the wall after JFK's death and wanted to erase his racist past....
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sorry can't rep you for that...well said....

what liberals like Pogo don't understand is how Democrats have used PC opportunities like this to further their racial demogoguery in order to keep the black vote....which in the long run really hurts blacks more than it helps them...

to put things in historical perspective.....it was Republicans who pushed equal rights for blacks (during the Civil War and afterwards) for years and years while the segregationist Democrats fought the various Republican civil rights bills tooth-and-nail until eventually they saw the writing on the wall and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed (overall with 82% Republicans and 66% Democrats).....which the Democrats then came to herald as THEIR legislative success and created the lie that THEY were the civil rights activists who saved the blacks from the treacherous Republicans....and have been doing so ever since...
What trolls like Screamer don't understand is that they live on fallacies. The basic one here, scraping for some way to stretch an employment practices suit into a political football; the secondary one being yet another trip to the Revisionist History well:



>> By party and region

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)

Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%) << (Wiki)

Total House: 156 D - 130 R (55%D - 45%R)
Total Senate: 46 D - 27 R (59%D - 41%R)
Total Congress: 202 D - 157 R (56%D - 44%R)

You actually think nobody will call 'bullshit' when you lie?

The Revisionistas Greatest Shits:
  • "FDR caused the Great Depression"
  • "Obama caused the 2008 Recession"
  • "The KKK was founded by Democrats"
  • "The Republican Party was founded by Thomas Jefferson"
  • "Hitler was a liberal"
  • Republicans passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964"

"War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery"...
and most usefully,
"Ignorance is Strength"
you really need to get a grip on history and stop drinking the leftist KoolAid...

you conveniently ignore the fact that there were FAR MORE DEMOCRATS....the Bill would have never passed unless it got the HIGH PERCENTAGE of Republican votes...the Republican vote was VITAL to its passage...

Quote:
Even so, one final element was essential to passage of the civil rights bill—the strong support of Republicans. Although Democrats had a historically large majority in the House of Representatives with 259 members to 176 Republicans, almost as many Republicans voted for the civil rights bill as Democrats.

The final vote was 290 for the bill and 130 against. Of the “yea” votes, 152 were Democrats and 138 were Republicans. Of the “nay” votes, three-fourths were Democrats. In short, the bill could not have passed without Republican support.

As Time Magazine observed, “In one of the most lopsidedly Democratic Houses since the days of F.D.R., Republicans were vital to the passage of a bill for which the Democratic administration means to take full political credit this year.”

A similar story is told in the Senate.

Who Opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964? | Stan Collender's Capital Gains and Games
and just look at the leaders....Senator Dirkson (R-IL) had been a long-time leader and advocate for all the various civil rights bills he tried to push forward......while Senator Byrd (D-WV) held one of the longest filibusters on record against it....President Johnson came to finally support the bill only because he was smart enough to see the writing on the wall after JFK's death and wanted to erase his racist past....

It's "Dirksen". Can't even spell the man's name... and the other guy you're thinking of is Strom Thurmond, who railed for 24 hours in 1957. One of those Southern conservatives who all went to the Republican Party in protest of that Act, since the Democrats would no longer tolerate them -- a break that started in 1948 when the Dem campaign platform brought the entire Mississippi (and half the Alabama) delegations to walk out of the convention and Thurmond to run his own presidential campaign as a "Dixiecrat" -- the campaign that Trent Lott (another former Dem who switched) alluded to when he made his famous gaffe. And which is why all those Southern conservatives lopsided the Congressional vote in both parties.

They're all Republicans now; do with them what you will. Perhaps one or two of them can show you how math works.

And by the way if you want a look at the "leaders", start with Harry Truman and Hubert Humphrey who defiantly brought the issue onto the 1948 platform, JFK for making it a priority, and LBJ for following through after his assassination, even knowing he'd split his own party.

ALL of which is off topic here; none of this has anything to do with Paula Deen.
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What trolls like Screamer don't understand is that they live on fallacies. The basic one here, scraping for some way to stretch an employment practices suit into a political football; the secondary one being yet another trip to the Revisionist History well:



>> By party and region

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)

Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%) << (Wiki)

Total House: 156 D - 130 R (55%D - 45%R)
Total Senate: 46 D - 27 R (59%D - 41%R)
Total Congress: 202 D - 157 R (56%D - 44%R)

You actually think nobody will call 'bullshit' when you lie?

The Revisionistas Greatest Shits:
  • "FDR caused the Great Depression"
  • "Obama caused the 2008 Recession"
  • "The KKK was founded by Democrats"
  • "The Republican Party was founded by Thomas Jefferson"
  • "Hitler was a liberal"
  • Republicans passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964"

"War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery"...
and most usefully,
"Ignorance is Strength"
you really need to get a grip on history and stop drinking the leftist KoolAid...

you conveniently ignore the fact that there were FAR MORE DEMOCRATS....the Bill would have never passed unless it got the HIGH PERCENTAGE of Republican votes...the Republican vote was VITAL to its passage...

Quote:
Even so, one final element was essential to passage of the civil rights bill—the strong support of Republicans. Although Democrats had a historically large majority in the House of Representatives with 259 members to 176 Republicans, almost as many Republicans voted for the civil rights bill as Democrats.

The final vote was 290 for the bill and 130 against. Of the “yea” votes, 152 were Democrats and 138 were Republicans. Of the “nay” votes, three-fourths were Democrats. In short, the bill could not have passed without Republican support.

As Time Magazine observed, “In one of the most lopsidedly Democratic Houses since the days of F.D.R., Republicans were vital to the passage of a bill for which the Democratic administration means to take full political credit this year.”

A similar story is told in the Senate.

Who Opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964? | Stan Collender's Capital Gains and Games
and just look at the leaders....Senator Dirkson (R-IL) had been a long-time leader and advocate for all the various civil rights bills he tried to push forward......while Senator Byrd (D-WV) held one of the longest filibusters on record against it....President Johnson came to finally support the bill only because he was smart enough to see the writing on the wall after JFK's death and wanted to erase his racist past....

It's "Dirksen". Can't even spell the man's name... and the other guy you're thinking of is Strom Thurmond, who railed for 24 hours in 1957. One of those Southern conservatives who all went to the Republican Party in protest of that Act, since the Democrats would no longer tolerate them -- a break that started in 1948 when the Dem campaign platform brought the entire Mississippi (and half the Alabama) delegations to walk out of the convention and Thurmond to run his own presidential campaign as a "Dixiecrat" -- the campaign that Trent Lott (another former Dem who switched) alluded to when he made his famous gaffe. And which is why all those Southern conservatives lopsided the Congressional vote in both parties.

They're all Republicans now; do with them what you will. Perhaps one or two of them can show you how math works.

And by the way if you want a look at the "leaders", start with Harry Truman and Hubert Humphrey who defiantly brought the issue onto the 1948 platform, JFK for making it a priority, and LBJ for following through after his assassination, even knowing he'd split his own party.

ALL of which is off topic here; none of this has anything to do with Paula Deen.
you're the spinner....so what if i didn't spell Dirksen correctly....so what if racist Democrat-turned-Republican Dixiecrat state-rights Strom Thurmond railed for 24 hours in 1957.....so what if a few of your racist Democrats joined the Republican party in the South....there were still plenty of racists left behind in the Democrat Party....and just because some of them joined the Republicans does not mean that the WHOLE Republican party suddenly became racist...

the Democrat Party was slowly changing and catching up with the Republican Party regarding civil rights.....even in the 1968 presidential race Democrat Hubert Humphrey had to fight off racist Democrat George Wallace in the bid for the Democrat nomination....which helped Republican Nixon win......Nixon btw was very pro-civil rights...

in any case all your above stupid crap argument still does not change the FACT that a higher percentage of REPUBLICANS voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and that it would have NEVER PASSED unless they did...

historically.....and today......the Democrats are STILL more racist in nature.....Paula Deen is just simply another casualty in their long history of 'politically correct' racial demogoguery...
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Pogo if you want to bring up the southern strategy, we can throw down. So give me a quick take on the democrats and republicans historically and today
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What trolls like Screamer don't understand is that they live on fallacies. The basic one here, scraping for some way to stretch an employment practices suit into a political football; the secondary one being yet another trip to the Revisionist History well:



>> By party and region

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)

Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%) << (Wiki)

Total House: 156 D - 130 R (55%D - 45%R)
Total Senate: 46 D - 27 R (59%D - 41%R)
Total Congress: 202 D - 157 R (56%D - 44%R)

You actually think nobody will call 'bullshit' when you lie?

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you really need to get a grip on history and stop drinking the leftist KoolAid...

you conveniently ignore the fact that there were FAR MORE DEMOCRATS....the Bill would have never passed unless it got the HIGH PERCENTAGE of Republican votes...the Republican vote was VITAL to its passage...

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Even so, one final element was essential to passage of the civil rights bill—the strong support of Republicans. Although Democrats had a historically large majority in the House of Representatives with 259 members to 176 Republicans, almost as many Republicans voted for the civil rights bill as Democrats.

The final vote was 290 for the bill and 130 against. Of the “yea” votes, 152 were Democrats and 138 were Republicans. Of the “nay” votes, three-fourths were Democrats. In short, the bill could not have passed without Republican support.

As Time Magazine observed, “In one of the most lopsidedly Democratic Houses since the days of F.D.R., Republicans were vital to the passage of a bill for which the Democratic administration means to take full political credit this year.”

A similar story is told in the Senate.

Who Opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964? | Stan Collender's Capital Gains and Games
and just look at the leaders....Senator Dirkson (R-IL) had been a long-time leader and advocate for all the various civil rights bills he tried to push forward......while Senator Byrd (D-WV) held one of the longest filibusters on record against it....President Johnson came to finally support the bill only because he was smart enough to see the writing on the wall after JFK's death and wanted to erase his racist past....

It's "Dirksen". Can't even spell the man's name... and the other guy you're thinking of is Strom Thurmond, who railed for 24 hours in 1957. One of those Southern conservatives who all went to the Republican Party in protest of that Act, since the Democrats would no longer tolerate them -- a break that started in 1948 when the Dem campaign platform brought the entire Mississippi (and half the Alabama) delegations to walk out of the convention and Thurmond to run his own presidential campaign as a "Dixiecrat" -- the campaign that Trent Lott (another former Dem who switched) alluded to when he made his famous gaffe. And which is why all those Southern conservatives lopsided the Congressional vote in both parties.

They're all Republicans now; do with them what you will. Perhaps one or two of them can show you how math works.

And by the way if you want a look at the "leaders", start with Harry Truman and Hubert Humphrey who defiantly brought the issue onto the 1948 platform, JFK for making it a priority, and LBJ for following through after his assassination, even knowing he'd split his own party.

ALL of which is off topic here; none of this has anything to do with Paula Deen.
Why don't you show us the entire Dixiecrat list and how many became Republicans? And who stayed Democrats.

I can't wait.

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Pogo if you want to bring up the southern strategy, we can throw down. So give me a quick take on the democrats and republicans historically and today
Yannow, that might be a timely historical discussion at this time. Soon as someone can show me how any of this bullshit revisionista-ism has anything to do with the topic, down we throw.

Or you could just start one on that topic. I hear it's free.

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you really need to get a grip on history and stop drinking the leftist KoolAid...

you conveniently ignore the fact that there were FAR MORE DEMOCRATS....the Bill would have never passed unless it got the HIGH PERCENTAGE of Republican votes...the Republican vote was VITAL to its passage...



and just look at the leaders....Senator Dirkson (R-IL) had been a long-time leader and advocate for all the various civil rights bills he tried to push forward......while Senator Byrd (D-WV) held one of the longest filibusters on record against it....President Johnson came to finally support the bill only because he was smart enough to see the writing on the wall after JFK's death and wanted to erase his racist past....

It's "Dirksen". Can't even spell the man's name... and the other guy you're thinking of is Strom Thurmond, who railed for 24 hours in 1957. One of those Southern conservatives who all went to the Republican Party in protest of that Act, since the Democrats would no longer tolerate them -- a break that started in 1948 when the Dem campaign platform brought the entire Mississippi (and half the Alabama) delegations to walk out of the convention and Thurmond to run his own presidential campaign as a "Dixiecrat" -- the campaign that Trent Lott (another former Dem who switched) alluded to when he made his famous gaffe. And which is why all those Southern conservatives lopsided the Congressional vote in both parties.

They're all Republicans now; do with them what you will. Perhaps one or two of them can show you how math works.

And by the way if you want a look at the "leaders", start with Harry Truman and Hubert Humphrey who defiantly brought the issue onto the 1948 platform, JFK for making it a priority, and LBJ for following through after his assassination, even knowing he'd split his own party.

ALL of which is off topic here; none of this has anything to do with Paula Deen.
you're the spinner....so what if i didn't spell Dirksen correctly....so what if racist Democrat-turned-Republican Dixiecrat state-rights Strom Thurmond railed for 24 hours in 1957.....so what if a few of your racist Democrats joined the Republican party in the South....there were still plenty of racists left behind in the Democrat Party....and just because some of them joined the Republicans does not mean that the WHOLE Republican party suddenly became racist...

the Democrat Party was slowly changing and catching up with the Republican Party regarding civil rights.....even in the 1968 presidential race Democrat Hubert Humphrey had to fight off racist Democrat George Wallace in the bid for the Democrat nomination....which helped Republican Nixon win......Nixon btw was very pro-civil rights...

in any case all your above stupid crap argument still does not change the FACT that a higher percentage of REPUBLICANS voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and that it would have NEVER PASSED unless they did...

historically.....and today......the Democrats are STILL more racist in nature.....Paula Deen is just simply another casualty in their long history of 'politically correct' racial demogoguery...
Here's what's sailing over your head, Screamer:

Your attempt to broad-brush "all" Democrats as racist and "all" Republicans as champion white knights on white horses (OK that part might be accurate) is the same fallacy as your broad-brushing Paula Deen's party registration as some kind of causal effect for her use of the word "nigger". It isn't. That's cultural, not political. That's exactly why the Thurmonds and Helmses don't mind switching parties -- it's a lot easier than switching one's culture. And considering I already 'splained to you the differmints between culture and politics and you couldn't grasp it, we'll just leave it there until you do.

Bottom line here is the same as it was with your Australian link: culture is not politics. To equate the two just to try to smear one's despised political group is rhetorical bullshit. Basically you're playing the same fallacy over and over and expecting different results.

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Pogo if you want to bring up the southern strategy, we can throw down. So give me a quick take on the democrats and republicans historically and today
Yannow, that might be a timely historical discussion at this time. Soon as someone can show me how any of this bullshit revisionista-ism has anything to do with the topic, down we throw.

Or you could just start one on that topic. I hear it's free.

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I've done it Pogo, and kicked libtard ass with it. Uh democrats have always been the racist party, but they just do it differently now.


Whats funny is that you compare saying nigger to racism. It's not, but lets go into this more. I havent read the entire thread, because it's pretty long, but I already know your points, and they are incorrect.
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It's "Dirksen". Can't even spell the man's name... and the other guy you're thinking of is Strom Thurmond, who railed for 24 hours in 1957. One of those Southern conservatives who all went to the Republican Party in protest of that Act, since the Democrats would no longer tolerate them -- a break that started in 1948 when the Dem campaign platform brought the entire Mississippi (and half the Alabama) delegations to walk out of the convention and Thurmond to run his own presidential campaign as a "Dixiecrat" -- the campaign that Trent Lott (another former Dem who switched) alluded to when he made his famous gaffe. And which is why all those Southern conservatives lopsided the Congressional vote in both parties.

They're all Republicans now; do with them what you will. Perhaps one or two of them can show you how math works.

And by the way if you want a look at the "leaders", start with Harry Truman and Hubert Humphrey who defiantly brought the issue onto the 1948 platform, JFK for making it a priority, and LBJ for following through after his assassination, even knowing he'd split his own party.

ALL of which is off topic here; none of this has anything to do with Paula Deen.
you're the spinner....so what if i didn't spell Dirksen correctly....so what if racist Democrat-turned-Republican Dixiecrat state-rights Strom Thurmond railed for 24 hours in 1957.....so what if a few of your racist Democrats joined the Republican party in the South....there were still plenty of racists left behind in the Democrat Party....and just because some of them joined the Republicans does not mean that the WHOLE Republican party suddenly became racist...

the Democrat Party was slowly changing and catching up with the Republican Party regarding civil rights.....even in the 1968 presidential race Democrat Hubert Humphrey had to fight off racist Democrat George Wallace in the bid for the Democrat nomination....which helped Republican Nixon win......Nixon btw was very pro-civil rights...

in any case all your above stupid crap argument still does not change the FACT that a higher percentage of REPUBLICANS voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and that it would have NEVER PASSED unless they did...

historically.....and today......the Democrats are STILL more racist in nature.....Paula Deen is just simply another casualty in their long history of 'politically correct' racial demogoguery...
Here's what's sailing over your head, Screamer:

Your attempt to broad-brush "all" Democrats as racist and "all" Republicans as champion white knights on white horses (OK that part might be accurate) is the same fallacy as your broad-brushing Paula Deen's party registration as some kind of causal effect for her use of the word "nigger". It isn't. That's cultural, not political. That's exactly why the Thurmonds and Helmses don't mind switching parties -- it's a lot easier than switching one's culture. And considering I already 'splained to you the differmints between culture and politics and you couldn't grasp it, we'll just leave it there until you do.

Bottom line here is the same as it was with your Australian link: culture is not politics. To equate the two just to try to smear one's despised political group is rhetorical bullshit. Basically you're playing the same fallacy over and over and expecting different results.

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So if it's cultural then it's ok? I mean that's what your excuse for rappers saying it....and lets be honest I find it funny how people go apeshit over one word.....it's not a big deal, she says nigger, trayveon says cracker, who gives a shit.
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