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fill out a form that no one is required to fill out,
Let me get this straight.

The IRS will take thousands of dollars of revenues (or even hundreds of thousands, depending on how high your revenue is) from you unless you apply for tax-exempt status... and when you do, they harass you with fifty-page questionnaires (unless you are a liberal), delay your application for years (unless you are a liberal), and send confidential information about you to various liberal news outlets).... and if you don't, they take those huge amounts of moey from you...

...and you say that it's YOUR fault since you "elected" to fill out the form?

I can see it now. "Nice little group you got there. Be a shame in anything happened to it. But fill out these forms, and we'll make sure nobody does bad things (like taking $thousands from you). And we'll make sure WE don't do those bad things to you, too, kapisch?"


So the "procedure for processing the forms" includes delaying you for months or years (unless you're a liberal), and sending confidential information about you that the IRS got from those forms to various liberal news outlets during campaign season?

Do you people have any idea how twisted and warped you have to be to believe that, or even suggest it?



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I have said before and will say it again. Some just have no brains..
I am forced to agree with this.
The whole scandal is a fraud, and based entirely on right wing paranoia. There is no requirement to fill out the forms and answer the questions. The right wing groups were too stupid to know this, and freaked out about the basic procedures for granting official tax exempt status.
then the irs was mismanaged as they wasted their time responding back with anything other than a form letter saying something like' your request is not necessary for the status you seek' etc.... and then dumping the docs...

you might want to call the WH with this scoop and get Obama off the hook....

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if the whole scandal is a fraud and based on right wing paranoia....why did obama say it was outrageous and that americans had a right to be angry?

i predict cheezetroll will avoid addressing this and simply continue to spout lies
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fill out a form that no one is required to fill out,
Let me get this straight.

The IRS will take thousands of dollars of revenues (or even hundreds of thousands, depending on how high your revenue is) from you unless you apply for tax-exempt status... and when you do, they harass you with fifty-page questionnaires (unless you are a liberal), delay your application for years (unless you are a liberal), and send confidential information about you to various liberal news outlets).... and if you don't, they take those huge amounts of moey from you...

...and you say that it's YOUR fault since you "elected" to fill out the form?

I can see it now. "Nice little group you got there. Be a shame in anything happened to it. But fill out these forms, and we'll make sure nobody does bad things (like taking $thousands from you). And we'll make sure WE don't do those bad things to you, too, kapisch?"


So the "procedure for processing the forms" includes delaying you for months or years (unless you're a liberal), and sending confidential information about you that the IRS got from those forms to various liberal news outlets during campaign season?

Do you people have any idea how twisted and warped you have to be to believe that, or even suggest it?



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I have said before and will say it again. Some just have no brains..
I am forced to agree with this.
The whole scandal is a fraud, and based entirely on right wing paranoia. There is no requirement to fill out the forms and answer the questions. The right wing groups were too stupid to know this, and freaked out about the basic procedures for granting official tax exempt status.
Is Obama too stupid to know that? He expressed outrage and fired people over this. Either include him in your bashing or shut the hell up.

The IRS apologized and there wouldn't have been any need for that or an internal investigation if people had followed the law.
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Scandal over.
Tell that to the IRS Commish without a job

Yeah, the idiot OP might wana write Obama a letter about doing that...
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The IRS is also being sued for raiding a company, taking cell phones and the medical records of 10 million people in California. Medical records of judges, state workers, you name it.

Without a warrant.

Nothing to see here folks.
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Oh and the woman who presided over the current IRS flap is heading up Obamacare.

Isn't that special.
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Oh and the woman who presided over the current IRS flap is heading up Obamacare.

Isn't that special.
Maybe she'll ask for book reports for every book you ever read in your life before you can get medical care like she did to Marianne Bowers.

Bring in your voter registration form for your medical appointment. The IRS will want to make sure you're a democrat.
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Quote: Originally Posted by velvtacheeze View Post
IRS Tea Party Scandal: Conservative Political Correctness in Action | New Republic

But, in fact, the IRS’s great conservative crackdown is even more innocent than that. It turns out that the applications the conservative groups submitted to the IRS—the ones the agency subsequently combed over, provoking nonstop howling—were unnecessary. The IRS doesn’t require so-called 501c4 organizations to apply for tax-exempt status. If anyone wants to start a social welfare group, they can just do it, then submit the corresponding tax return (form 990) at the end of the year. To be sure, the IRS certainly allows groups to apply for tax-exempt status if they want to make their status official. But the application is completely voluntary, making it a strange basis for an alleged witch hunt.
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This faux scandal is the most trumped up bunch of nonsense ever. The scandal is how right wing paranoia is given the respect and credibility is gets in the media. It certainly deserves none of it.

The right wing groups flooded the IRS with 501c4 applications that weren't required, then threw a hissyfit when the IRS started to process them according to their procedures.

Seriously, get over the fact that the Left destroyed the Bush Presidency, and with it the GOP's chances of keeping executive power. You're not getting payback. Your side made America worse under Bush, and the voters don't want conservatives back in the White House. This "scandal" won't make a difference.
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Hmmm

Does that mean that all these Liberal 501C(3) groups are filled with stupid people also?
No it means that like a typical wingnut Misinformation Voter you are too stupid to know the difference between the number 3 and the number 4.
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if the whole scandal is a fraud and based on right wing paranoia....why did obama say it was outrageous and that americans had a right to be angry?

i predict cheezetroll will avoid addressing this and simply continue to spout lies
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if the whole scandal is a fraud and based on right wing paranoia....why did obama say it was outrageous and that americans had a right to be angry?

i predict cheezetroll will avoid addressing this and simply continue to spout lies
You called it


He did, he just ran away like all the libtards do. They're not used to people giving a different opinion, and they certainly dont like facts, after thier false assumptions have been torn to shreds
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