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Being against abortion isn't about saving lives. Most "pro-life" folks are pro-gun, pro-war, pro-death penalty and are against all social programs that save lives.

It's about control and punishment.
Being pro-life and pro death penalty is about the central issue of taking on some personal responsibility for the choices you make in life. Unfortunately, there is this perception that we must fight to save the lives of the CRIMINALS from facing an outcome that's considered cruel and unusual. It's this twisted notion that violent convicted criminals are worth having the chance to live.
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It's incredibly hypocritical of you folks, who preach "personal responsibility" to assign the power of life and death to the state.

Gotta love it.
Actually to a jury of ones peers, in a court setting, with adequate counsel, but you already know that....
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Has nothing to do with what I was talking about, but okay.

Here's the thing. We are the only major industrialized country that doesn't have single payer health coverage for all our citizens.

And not surprisingly, we have the highest infant mortality rate in the industrialized world and higher than a lot of third world countries as well.
Being against abortion isn't about saving lives. Most "pro-life" folks are pro-gun, pro-war, pro-death penalty and are against all social programs that save lives.

It's about control and punishment.
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Is this a pro-abortion pitch? Dr. Gosnell should be your hero. He kills them before they become statistics. There are about 15 million illegals in this Country. I wonder how many of the 11,000 newborn deaths they account for? The point is that medical help is available in the greatest Country in the world.
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Has nothing to do with what I was talking about, but okay.

Here's the thing. We are the only major industrialized country that doesn't have single payer health coverage for all our citizens.

And not surprisingly, we have the highest infant mortality rate in the industrialized world and higher than a lot of third world countries as well.
Perhaps you should look more into the rate... with the fact that we count everything whereas other countries DO NOT...
This stat is about as bogus as the WHO debunked bull****

And oh, BTW.... we don't have or need single payer health care because government is not your nanny... What our government is to do is protect your freedoms so you can try and take care of yourself..
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Old 05-07-2013, 08:06 AM
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Being pro-life and pro death penalty is about the central issue of taking on some personal responsibility for the choices you make in life. Unfortunately, there is this perception that we must fight to save the lives of the CRIMINALS from facing an outcome that's considered cruel and unusual. It's this twisted notion that violent convicted criminals are worth having the chance to live.
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It's incredibly hypocritical of you folks, who preach "personal responsibility" to assign the power of life and death to the state.

Gotta love it.
Actually to a jury of ones peers, in a court setting, with adequate counsel, but you already know that....
It's still the state's dog and pony show..

But you already know that..
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Old 05-07-2013, 08:07 AM
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Has nothing to do with what I was talking about, but okay.

Here's the thing. We are the only major industrialized country that doesn't have single payer health coverage for all our citizens.

And not surprisingly, we have the highest infant mortality rate in the industrialized world and higher than a lot of third world countries as well.
Being against abortion isn't about saving lives. Most "pro-life" folks are pro-gun, pro-war, pro-death penalty and are against all social programs that save lives.

It's about control and punishment.
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Expiration would mean that the practice has been stopped.

It hasn't.
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Old 05-07-2013, 08:10 AM
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It's incredibly hypocritical of you folks, who preach "personal responsibility" to assign the power of life and death to the state.

Gotta love it.
Actually to a jury of ones peers, in a court setting, with adequate counsel, but you already know that....
It's still the state's dog and pony show..

But you already know that..
One of the few functions the state is SUPPOSED to do.

The founders had the death penalty, they just made sure it was by trial and not by fiat.

You just dont seem to grasp the concept.....
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Has nothing to do with what I was talking about, but okay.

Here's the thing. We are the only major industrialized country that doesn't have single payer health coverage for all our citizens.

And not surprisingly, we have the highest infant mortality rate in the industrialized world and higher than a lot of third world countries as well.
Perhaps you should look more into the rate... with the fact that we count everything whereas other countries DO NOT...
This stat is about as bogus as the WHO debunked bull****

And oh, BTW.... we don't have or need single payer health care because government is not your nanny... What our government is to do is protect your freedoms so you can try and take care of yourself..
Link or name calling?...you decide
Products - Data Briefs - Number 23 - November 2009

The primary reason for the United States’ higher infant mortality rate when compared with Europe is the United States’ much higher percentage of preterm births. In 2004, 1 in 8 infants born in the United States were born preterm, compared with 1 in 18 in Ireland and Finland. Preterm infants have much higher rates of death or disability than infants born at 37 weeks of gestation or more (2-4, 6), so the United States’ higher percentage of preterm births has a large effect on infant mortality rates. If the United States had the same gestational age distribution of births as Sweden, the U.S. infant mortality rate (excluding births at less than 22 weeks of gestation) would go from 5.8 to 3.9 infant deaths per 1,000 live births, a 33% decline.

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According to the way statistics are calculated in Canada, Germany, and Austria, a premature baby weighing <500g is not considered a living child

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Being against abortion isn't about saving lives. Most "pro-life" folks are pro-gun, pro-war, pro-death penalty and are against all social programs that save lives.

It's about control and punishment.
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As for the OP, I need a lot more info. This appears to be only part of the story. I'll wait and see.
Expiration would mean that the practice has been stopped.

It hasn't.
Only in the minds of those who wish to view it as such........ Careful, your partisan slip is showing........
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Perhaps you should look more into the rate... with the fact that we count everything whereas other countries DO NOT...
This stat is about as bogus as the WHO debunked bull****

And oh, BTW.... we don't have or need single payer health care because government is not your nanny... What our government is to do is protect your freedoms so you can try and take care of yourself..
Link or name calling?...you decide
Products - Data Briefs - Number 23 - November 2009

The primary reason for the United States’ higher infant mortality rate when compared with Europe is the United States’ much higher percentage of preterm births. In 2004, 1 in 8 infants born in the United States were born preterm, compared with 1 in 18 in Ireland and Finland. Preterm infants have much higher rates of death or disability than infants born at 37 weeks of gestation or more (2-4, 6), so the United States’ higher percentage of preterm births has a large effect on infant mortality rates. If the United States had the same gestational age distribution of births as Sweden, the U.S. infant mortality rate (excluding births at less than 22 weeks of gestation) would go from 5.8 to 3.9 infant deaths per 1,000 live births, a 33% decline.

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According to the way statistics are calculated in Canada, Germany, and Austria, a premature baby weighing <500g is not considered a living child

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Sorry I should've said link to proof...not a link to Instapundit theorizing about proof with no evidence to back it.

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Products - Data Briefs - Number 23 - November 2009

The primary reason for the United States’ higher infant mortality rate when compared with Europe is the United States’ much higher percentage of preterm births. In 2004, 1 in 8 infants born in the United States were born preterm, compared with 1 in 18 in Ireland and Finland. Preterm infants have much higher rates of death or disability than infants born at 37 weeks of gestation or more (2-4, 6), so the United States’ higher percentage of preterm births has a large effect on infant mortality rates. If the United States had the same gestational age distribution of births as Sweden, the U.S. infant mortality rate (excluding births at less than 22 weeks of gestation) would go from 5.8 to 3.9 infant deaths per 1,000 live births, a 33% decline.

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According to the way statistics are calculated in Canada, Germany, and Austria, a premature baby weighing <500g is not considered a living child

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Sorry I should've said link to proof...not a link to Instapundit theorizing about proof with no evidence to back it.

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Yet you completely ignore the CDC link........ Uummmmm........ Interesting.
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Products - Data Briefs - Number 23 - November 2009

The primary reason for the United States’ higher infant mortality rate when compared with Europe is the United States’ much higher percentage of preterm births. In 2004, 1 in 8 infants born in the United States were born preterm, compared with 1 in 18 in Ireland and Finland. Preterm infants have much higher rates of death or disability than infants born at 37 weeks of gestation or more (2-4, 6), so the United States’ higher percentage of preterm births has a large effect on infant mortality rates. If the United States had the same gestational age distribution of births as Sweden, the U.S. infant mortality rate (excluding births at less than 22 weeks of gestation) would go from 5.8 to 3.9 infant deaths per 1,000 live births, a 33% decline.

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According to the way statistics are calculated in Canada, Germany, and Austria, a premature baby weighing <500g is not considered a living child

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Sorry I should've said link to proof...not a link to Instapundit theorizing about proof with no evidence to back it.

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Idiot.. the one is to the ****ING CDC.... IT GIVES THE PRIMARY REASON AS DIFFERING WAYS OF STATISTICS INCLUDING THE PROPENSITY OF PRETERM BIRTHS

You are nothing more than an idiot goddamn troll

Go ****ing play in traffic...
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Products - Data Briefs - Number 23 - November 2009

The primary reason for the United States’ higher infant mortality rate when compared with Europe is the United States’ much higher percentage of preterm births. In 2004, 1 in 8 infants born in the United States were born preterm, compared with 1 in 18 in Ireland and Finland. Preterm infants have much higher rates of death or disability than infants born at 37 weeks of gestation or more (2-4, 6), so the United States’ higher percentage of preterm births has a large effect on infant mortality rates. If the United States had the same gestational age distribution of births as Sweden, the U.S. infant mortality rate (excluding births at less than 22 weeks of gestation) would go from 5.8 to 3.9 infant deaths per 1,000 live births, a 33% decline.

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According to the way statistics are calculated in Canada, Germany, and Austria, a premature baby weighing <500g is not considered a living child

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Sorry I should've said link to proof...not a link to Instapundit theorizing about proof with no evidence to back it.

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Yet you completely ignore the CDC link........ Uummmmm........ Interesting.
Actually I did lol...

but the CDC link does say exactly whats in the first paragraph that we have a much higher percentage of PRETERM births than European Countries.

Is that proof of how good our system is? Whats the point of posting that? To help the OP?
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Sorry I should've said link to proof...not a link to Instapundit theorizing about proof with no evidence to back it.

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Yet you completely ignore the CDC link........ Uummmmm........ Interesting.
Actually I did lol...

but the CDC link does say exactly whats in the first paragraph that we have a much higher percentage of PRETERM births than European Countries.

Is that proof of how good our system is? Whats the point of posting that? To help the OP?
What is counted and what is in the statistics means a lot.. instead of just spouting off some statistic because it fits your ****ing agenda for goddamn government controlled healthcare (and you know it is why the thread was posted)... look in to things

These statistics, like the bogus WHO heathcare ranking, are plastered out there without any ****ing insight into what is behind the data... WE COUNT THINGS DIFFERENTLY AND MORE COMPLETELY

Oh.. and BTW, the doctor cited in the other article is an adviser the the CALIFORNIA SENATE... not some ****ing paid contributor to Brietbart or TheBlaze or whatever....
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