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The Most Egregious Lie told by Gun Control Advocates

This lie, perpetrated by Salon.com really takes the cake:

Was Hitler Really Anti-Gun Control? ? The Libertarian Standard

In my opinion, when the article is read carefully, it actually makes the case AGAINST gun control, not for Gun control.

http://www.examiner.com/article/hitl...id=db_articles
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At least I discovered where JoeB131 found this terrible argument.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-fl...ml#post6890873
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I'm glad to see that this went uncontested. If the Gun Control Advocates were going to seriously push this line, it would been a declaration of their true intentions.
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This lie, perpetrated by Salon.com really takes the cake:

Was Hitler Really Anti-Gun Control? ? The Libertarian Standard

In my opinion, when the article is read carefully, it actually makes the case AGAINST gun control, not for Gun control.

Hitler?s gun control lie debunked - Little Rock gun rights | Examiner.com
Hitler mobilized his whole country, so who was left to worry about having a gun? There were women and some old men. Why would Hitler even care if they had guns, when he's surrounded by people who do? It wasn't like Hitler needed to force obedience out of the German people. If he wanted the guns rounded up, they would have been.
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Hitler is dead, just like your argument. The ONLY Americans anyone wants to prohibit from owning guns in criminals and people with dangerous mental problem. Unfortunately, you would fall into the latter classification.

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Glad to see that you failed to read either article.

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Hands down the most egregious lie told by gun control advocates:


"They aren't going to take your guns."
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This lie, perpetrated by Salon.com really takes the cake:

Was Hitler Really Anti-Gun Control? ? The Libertarian Standard

In my opinion, when the article is read carefully, it actually makes the case AGAINST gun control, not for Gun control.

Hitler?s gun control lie debunked - Little Rock gun rights | Examiner.com
Hitler mobilized his whole country, so who was left to worry about having a gun? There were women and some old men. Why would Hitler even care if they had guns, when he's surrounded by people who do? It wasn't like Hitler needed to force obedience out of the German people. If he wanted the guns rounded up, they would have been.
What in the world are you talking about? Are you really saying that you believe Hitler did not disarm the Jews???
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What in the world are you talking about? Are you really saying that you believe Hitler did not disarm the Jews???
That is what they are trying to get us to believe, or at the very least, that's it is ok to have Gun Control, so long as as the people obedient to the government are not subject to those same laws.

I really do love when people like Bfgrn come out and defend material like this, it displays their true intention: Subjugation.
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Glad to see that you failed to read either article.

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Also, its well known to any frequent visitor of these forums that you are an Authoritarian.
What did the dinosaurs teach you, fool? You sure act like one.
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Sooo, right-wingers want to base our safety on Hitler examples? No thanks...
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The lessons of Nazi history: Hitler’s Control

By Kopel-Griffiths
May 22, 2003


This week’s CBS miniseries Hitler: The Rise of Evil tries to explain the conditions that enabled a manifestly evil and abnormal individual to gain total power and to commit mass murder. The CBS series looks at some of the people whose flawed decisions paved the way for Hitler’s psychopathic dictatorship: Hitler’s mother who refused to recognize that her child was extremely disturbed and anti-social; the judge who gave Hitler a ludicrously short prison sentence after he committed high treason at the Beer Hall Putsch; President Hindenburg and the Reichstag delegates who (except for the Social Democrats) who acceded to Hitler’s dictatorial Enabling Act rather than forcing a crisis (which, no matter how bad the outcome, would have been far better than Hitler being able to claim legitimate power and lead Germany toward world war).

Acquainting a new generation of television viewers with the monstrosity of Hitler is a commendable public service by CBS, for if we are serious about “Never again,” then we must be serious about remembering how and why Hitler was able to accomplish what he did. Political scientist R. J. Rummel, the world’s foremost scholar of the mass murders of the 20th century, estimates that the Nazis killed about 21 million people, not including war casualties. With modern technology, a modern Hitler might be able to kill even more people even more rapidly.

Indeed, right now in Zimbabwe, the Robert Mugabe tyranny is perpetrating a genocide by starvation aimed at liquidating about six million people. Mugabe is great admirer of Adolf Hitler. Mugabe’s number-two man (who died last year) was Chenjerai Hunzvi, the head of Mugabe’s terrorist gangs, who nicknamed himself “Hitler.” One of the things that Robert Mugabe, “Hitler” Hunzvi, and Adolf Hitler all have in common is their strong and effective programs of gun control.

Simply put, if not for gun control, Hitler would not have been able to murder 21 million people. Nor would Mugabe be able to carry out his current terror program.


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Hitler?s Control - Kopel-Griffiths - National Review Online

It looks like Lakhota's idol and use of control to institute genocide are embedded in this article.
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This lie, perpetrated by Salon.com really takes the cake:

Was Hitler Really Anti-Gun Control? ? The Libertarian Standard

In my opinion, when the article is read carefully, it actually makes the case AGAINST gun control, not for Gun control.

Hitler?s gun control lie debunked - Little Rock gun rights | Examiner.com
Hitler mobilized his whole country, so who was left to worry about having a gun? There were women and some old men. Why would Hitler even care if they had guns, when he's surrounded by people who do? It wasn't like Hitler needed to force obedience out of the German people. If he wanted the guns rounded up, they would have been.
What in the world are you talking about? Are you really saying that you believe Hitler did not disarm the Jews???
They chose to forget that unfortunate bit of history. We're supposed to believe that all people could protect themselves from harm under Hitler's rule. Of course, many are wanting to deny the Holocaust happened. For now, the left just doesn't talk about it because it makes Hitler look bad.


In history, those who were disarmed were murdered by governments. Yup, that's all you need to remember and that history repeats itself.
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Ok, so just today, there was an equally terrible lie:

Sen. Dianne Feinstein claims it's 'legal to hunt humans' during Senate hearing - Spokane Conservative | Examiner.com

However, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt (THIS TIME) and assume she meant to say some other animal.
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