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Have any of these "emergency managers" worked out so far? Taking away democracy and replacing it with Republican shills? Every time you let the right wing run anything, it always ends up in scandal and fraud and criminal charges. They can't help themselves. They are an odious bunch.

Former Emergency Manager Charged with Tax Fraud

Michigan?s Emergency Manager meetings not subject to Open Meetings Act, opponent faces federal indictments

The Scandal of Michigan's Emergency Managers
Because libturds do such a great job of running things, eh? HOw many former IL governors are in prison right now?
2. Well, not anymore. Georgie Porgie just finished serving his time.
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So let's take a look at some of these "esteemed" former Detroit mayors (all DEMOCRATS, of course).

Kwame Kilpatrick (2002-2008):
Kwame Kilpatrick?s 14 Most Scandalous Moments - Black Enterprise

Kwame Kilpatrick - Top 10 Political Sex Scandals - TIME

Kwame Kilpatrick Sex Scandal

Kilpatrick pleads guilty, resigns | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

Coleman Young (1974-94):
Detroit Mayor Linked to Scandal Figure - Los Angeles Times

Snarled in Corruption Traffic - TIME

Detroit's Collapse: The Young Years - National American history | Examiner.com

The Line of Demarcation by Karen De Coster

Roman Gribbs (1970-74):

The Pingree Street Sixteen Go On Trial | Old News

Jerome Cavanagh (1962-70):

http://www.rightmichigan.com/story/2011/12/21/191126/29

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The old argument against socialism is that it is wonderful until you run out of other people's money is true of every nation, every state, every city, including Detroit.

Whern you have elected or appointed leaders who do not manage the funds they have available, but rather buy loyalties and cooperation and peace at the expense of future taxpayers, sooner or later that chicken comes home to roost. Those who rob Peter to pay Paul will always have the full support of Paul, but Peter too often becomes weary and either becomes Paul or leaves. And when you have more Pauls than Peters, you have Detroit.

I keep hoping that our country will wake up to this truth before I die so that I can see the blessings of the Peters of the country being rewarded and Pauls being encouraged to become Peters.
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Just so I understand.

The Republicans here are defending "take overs" and they have no faith in democracy.

Perhaps that's why they support "voter suppression"?
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Just so I understand.

The Republicans here are defending "take overs" and they have no faith in democracy.

Perhaps that's why they support "voter suppression"?
The words "I understand" have no place in any of your posts, Deany.
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Just so I understand.

The Republicans here are defending "take overs" and they have no faith in democracy.

Perhaps that's why they support "voter suppression"?
Look at the libturd crying that illegal aliens won't be able to vote anymore.
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Voter suppression is not the problem with Detroit.
Liberals are not the problem with Detroit
Conservatives are not the problem with Detroit.
Democrats are not the problem with Detroit.
Republicans are not the problem with Detroit.

The problem with Detroit is a false concept that people should be able to get something for nothing, and are entitled to what they have not earned.

Whomever is chosen to fix Detroit will do so ONLY by encouraging private sector growth, discouraging the entitlement mentality, and re-establishing a work ethic that does not depend on contributions by others.
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Voter suppression is not the problem with Detroit.
Liberals are not the problem with Detroit
Conservatives are not the problem with Detroit.
Democrats are not the problem with Detroit.
Republicans are not the problem with Detroit.

The problem with Detroit is a false concept that people should be able to get something for nothing, and are entitled to what they have not earned.

Whomever is chosen to fix Detroit will do so ONLY by encouraging private sector growth, discouraging the entitlement mentality, and re-establishing a work ethic that does not depend on contributions by others.
True. Good luck with that.
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So the residents got some temporary help from 15 million dollars that none of them worked for; none of them earned. How much better would it have been rather than hand out that 15 million, to cut federal spending in non essential areas in order to give 15 million in tax breaks or other incentives for businesses to establish, expand, and hire folks and thereby reduce that long line. Then help the very few left who are unable to work.

This used to be the way everybody thought it should be in America. Now we seem to think people should be paid not to work. And that insanity has produced Detroits all across the country.
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So the residents got some temporary help from 15 million dollars that none of them worked for; none of them earned. How much better would it have been rather than hand out that 15 million, to cut federal spending in non essential areas in order to give 15 million in tax breaks or other incentives for businesses to establish, expand, and hire folks and thereby reduce that long line. Then help the very few left who are unable to work.

This used to be the way everybody thought it should be in America. Now we seem to think people should be paid not to work. And that insanity has produced Detroits all across the country.
Detroit is a good example of what happens when pols pander to the lowest classes to get elected. They drive out productive people from their system. This is not an unintended consequence. THat was the intention.
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So the residents got some temporary help from 15 million dollars that none of them worked for; none of them earned. How much better would it have been rather than hand out that 15 million, to cut federal spending in non essential areas in order to give 15 million in tax breaks or other incentives for businesses to establish, expand, and hire folks and thereby reduce that long line. Then help the very few left who are unable to work.

This used to be the way everybody thought it should be in America. Now we seem to think people should be paid not to work. And that insanity has produced Detroits all across the country.
Detroit is a good example of what happens when pols pander to the lowest classes to get elected. They drive out productive people from their system. This is not an unintended consequence. THat was the intention.
I don't know if that is the intention, but that is definitely the consequence. You have CEO's of auto manufacturers and other union shops giving union bosses whatever they demand, however costly that might be on down the road, because the CEO figures he'll have collected his golden parachute and retired long before those chickens come home to roost. But as with any other pyramid scheme, a system requiring funding by workers on down the line sooner or later invariably becomes too much for those future workers to sustain.

Likewise with government entitlements that depend on future taxes to pay. In 1950 there were 16.5 workers paying into the system for every Social Security recipient. In 2005, that number had dropped to 3.3 workers for every Social Security recipient, and that number will soon drop to 2.2 workers and how long will it be before the recipients outnumber the workers? It simply is not sustainable. Then you add on Medicaid, Medicare, Obamacare, and other entitlements, all that drain the economy of its vitality and productivity, and it is no wonder that the debt clock has passed 16 trillion and is accelerating at an alarming rate. The legislators don't care because they are making themselves all millionaires as we speak and they figure they'll be out of Congress and immune to criticism when those chickens arrive.

It is all built as a house of cards that has to come crashing down sooner or later. Unless we all, liberals and conservatives alike, admit it and join together to fix it, it is inevitable that the entire United States will eventually become a Detroit.
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No question about it that Detroit needs outside management.

However, the anti-auto-union chimera is from the nutball playbook. The facts prove that management destroyed the US automobile business by falling behind two important demand curves starting in the 1970s then staying there: quality and style. Unions had nothing to do with it, as the Obama bailout proves beyond a shadow of a doubt.

On the other hand government unions are the work of the devil. Detroit's public bureaucracy remains a disgrace to public service. It is overpaid, underworked and there are no effective measures of ethics.

What needs to happen in Detroit is some kind of bankruptcy to throw out current administrators, void contracts and pensions and so on, then do a complete rebuild.
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Have any of these "emergency managers" worked out so far? Taking away democracy and replacing it with Republican shills? Every time you let the right wing run anything, it always ends up in scandal and fraud and criminal charges. They can't help themselves. They are an odious bunch.

Former Emergency Manager Charged with Tax Fraud

Michigan?s Emergency Manager meetings not subject to Open Meetings Act, opponent faces federal indictments

The Scandal of Michigan's Emergency Managers
The odious bunch are those who got Detroit in trouble enough to seek "emergency managers." The desire to spend more money than you have is what has taken away democracy and replaced it with tax-and-spenders, rdean. Hiring people of graft so you can control them and/or use them to humiliate members of their party unfairly could come back to bite Detroit personnel whizzes in the butt.

For that is called "screwing the pooch."
Unfortunately, the solutions are not as easy as just cutting pay and city jobs. Unless you live there or have studied the problem with at least some degree of interest, you probably do not understand the scope of the problem. What truly needs to happen is that entire swaths of Detroit need to be bulldozed and sold off to developers. The problem is that they don't even have the money to do that, and even if they did, they would need to force many people out of their homes, and those people do not want to leave.
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Have any of these "emergency managers" worked out so far? Taking away democracy and replacing it with Republican shills? Every time you let the right wing run anything, it always ends up in scandal and fraud and criminal charges. They can't help themselves. They are an odious bunch.

Former Emergency Manager Charged with Tax Fraud

Michigan?s Emergency Manager meetings not subject to Open Meetings Act, opponent faces federal indictments

The Scandal of Michigan's Emergency Managers
The odious bunch are those who got Detroit in trouble enough to seek "emergency managers." The desire to spend more money than you have is what has taken away democracy and replaced it with tax-and-spenders, rdean. Hiring people of graft so you can control them and/or use them to humiliate members of their party unfairly could come back to bite Detroit personnel whizzes in the butt.

For that is called "screwing the pooch."
Unfortunately, the solutions are not as easy as just cutting pay and city jobs. Unless you live there or have studied the problem with at least some degree of interest, you probably do not understand the scope of the problem. What truly needs to happen is that entire swaths of Detroit need to be bulldozed and sold off to developers. The problem is that they don't even have the money to do that, and even if they did, they would need to force many people out of their homes, and those people do not want to leave.
It isn't something that government can fix. It must be private sector intiative, money, and will to succeed that fixes it. Every dollar the government puts into the process is a dollar taken out of the economy and/or obligated for taxpayers on down the road to pay.

What government can do is remove the entitlements, remove all unnecessary regulation, and provide a tax structure and other incentive that will allow the private sector to take the risk and fix the problem. If Detroits new manager understands that, he or she will have a shot at making things better. If he or she continues to take the 'easy way' out by kicking problems on down the road, it will only get worse.
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Have any of these "emergency managers" worked out so far? Taking away democracy and replacing it with Republican shills? Every time you let the right wing run anything, it always ends up in scandal and fraud and criminal charges. They can't help themselves. They are an odious bunch.

Former Emergency Manager Charged with Tax Fraud

Michigan?s Emergency Manager meetings not subject to Open Meetings Act, opponent faces federal indictments

The Scandal of Michigan's Emergency Managers
The odious bunch are those who got Detroit in trouble enough to seek "emergency managers." The desire to spend more money than you have is what has taken away democracy and replaced it with tax-and-spenders, rdean. Hiring people of graft so you can control them and/or use them to humiliate members of their party unfairly could come back to bite Detroit personnel whizzes in the butt.

For that is called "screwing the pooch."
Unfortunately, the solutions are not as easy as just cutting pay and city jobs. Unless you live there or have studied the problem with at least some degree of interest, you probably do not understand the scope of the problem. What truly needs to happen is that entire swaths of Detroit need to be bulldozed and sold off to developers. The problem is that they don't even have the money to do that, and even if they did, they would need to force many people out of their homes, and those people do not want to leave.
Studied the problem? Republicans don't "study", they "imagine".
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