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What difference does it make ?
It's not like anyone died there
I like how she said "What difference does it make?", then in the very next breath says "It's our job to find out what happened". Duh! THAT'S what difference it makes!!!
What difference at this point does it make?

Administrations don't kill Ambassadors, terrorists do.


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"What difference, at this point, does it make?"
What was Secretary Clinton referring to?

“With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. If it was because of a protest or if it was because guys out for a walk decided to go kill some Americans. What difference at this point does it make?

“It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, Senator. Now, honestly, I will do my best to answer my questions about this but the fact is that people were trying in real time to get the best information … but you know, to be clear, it is from my perspective, less important today looking backward as to why these militants decided to do it, as to find them and bring them to justice, and then maybe we’ll figure out what was going on in the meantime.”
We all know the Secretary is well respected and that no one with any credibility has accused her of lying because there is no credible reason for her to lie...

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In examining the circumstances of these attacks, the Accountability Review Board for Benghazi determined that:

1. The attacks were security related, involving arson, small arms and machine gun fire, and the use of RPGs, grenades, and mortars against U.S. personnel at two separate facilities – the SMC and the Annex – and en route between them. Responsibility for the tragic loss of life, injuries, and damage to U.S. facilities and property rests solely and completely with the terrorists who perpetrated the attacks. The Board concluded that there was no protest prior to the attacks, which were unanticipated in their scale and intensity.

2. Systemic failures and leadership and management deficiencies at senior levels within two bureaus of the State Department (the “Department”) resulted in a Special Mission security posture that was inadequate for Benghazi and grossly inadequate to deal with the attack that took place.

Security in Benghazi was not recognized and implemented as a “shared responsibility” by the bureaus in Washington charged with supporting the post, resulting in stove-piped discussions and decisions on policy and security. That said, Embassy Tripoli did not demonstrate strong and sustained advocacy with Washington for increased security for Special Mission Benghazi.

The short-term, transitory nature of Special Mission Benghazi’s staffing, with talented and committed, but relatively inexperienced, American personnel often on temporary assignments of 40 days or less, resulted in diminished institutional knowledge, continuity, and mission capacity.

Overall, the number of Bureau of Diplomatic Security (DS) security staff in Benghazi on the day of the attack and in the months and weeks leading up to it was inadequate, despite repeated requests from Special Mission Benghazi and Embassy Tripoli for additional staffing. Board members found a pervasive realization among personnel who served in Benghazi that the Special Mission was not a high priority for Washington when it came to security-related requests, especially those relating to staffing.

The insufficient Special Mission security platform was at variance with the appropriate Overseas Security Policy Board (OSPB) standards with respect to perimeter and interior security. Benghazi was also severely under-resourced with regard to certain needed security equipment, although DS funded and installed in 2012 a number of physical security upgrades.

These included heightening the outer perimeter wall, safety grills on safe area egress windows, concrete jersey barriers, manual drop-arm vehicle barriers, a steel gate for the Villa C safe area, some locally manufactured steel doors, sandbag fortifications, security cameras, some additional security lighting, guard booths, and an Internal Defense Notification System.

Special Mission Benghazi’s uncertain future after 2012 and its “non-status” as a temporary, residential facility made allocation of resources for security and personnel more difficult, and left responsibility to meet security standards to the working-level in the field, with very limited resources.

In the weeks and months leading up to the attacks, the response from post, Embassy Tripoli, and Washington to a deteriorating security situation was inadequate. At the same time, the SMC’s dependence on the armed but poorly skilled Libyan February 17 Martyrs’ Brigade (February 17) militia members and unarmed, locally contracted Blue Mountain Libya (BML) guards for security support was misplaced.

Although the February 17 militia had proven effective in responding to improvised explosive device (IED) attacks on the Special Mission in April and June 2012, there were some troubling indicators of its reliability in the months and weeks preceding the September attacks. At the time of Ambassador Stevens’ visit, February 17 militia members had stopped accompanying Special Mission vehicle movements in protest over salary and working hours.

Post and the Department were well aware of the anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks but at no time were there ever any specific, credible threats against the mission in Benghazi related to the September 11 anniversary. Ambassador Stevens and Benghazi-based DS agents had taken the anniversary into account and decided to hold all meetings on-compound on September 11.

The Board found that Ambassador Stevens made the decision to travel to Benghazi independently of Washington, per standard practice. Timing for his trip was driven in part by commitments in Tripoli, as well as a staffing gap between principal officers in Benghazi. Plans for the Ambassador’s trip provided for minimal close protection security support and were not shared thoroughly with the Embassy’s country team, who were not fully aware of planned movements off compound.

The Ambassador did not see a direct threat of an attack of this nature and scale on the U.S. Mission in the overall negative trendline of security incidents from spring to summer 2012. His status as the leading U.S. government advocate on Libya policy, and his expertise on Benghazi in particular, caused Washington to give unusual deference to his judgments.

Communication, cooperation, and coordination among Washington, Tripoli, and Benghazi functioned collegially at the working-level but were constrained by a lack of transparency, responsiveness, and leadership at the senior levels. Among various Department bureaus and personnel in the field, there appeared to be very real confusion over who, ultimately, was responsible and empowered to make decisions based on both policy and security considerations.

3. Notwithstanding the proper implementation of security systems and procedures and remarkable heroism shown by American personnel, those systems and the Libyan response fell short in the face of a series of attacks that began with the sudden penetration of the Special Mission compound by dozens of armed attackers.

The Board found the responses by both the BML guards and February 17 to be inadequate. The Board’s inquiry found little evidence that the armed February 17 guards offered any meaningful defense of the SMC, or succeeded in summoning a February 17 militia presence to assist expeditiously.

The Board found the Libyan government’s response to be profoundly lacking on the night of the attacks, reflecting both weak capacity and near absence of central government influence and control in Benghazi. The Libyan government did facilitate assistance from a quasi-governmental militia that supported the evacuation of U.S. government personnel to Benghazi airport. The Libyan government also provided a military C-130 aircraft which was used to evacuate remaining U.S. personnel and the bodies of the deceased from Benghazi to Tripoli on September 12.

The Board determined that U.S. personnel on the ground in Benghazi performed with courage and readiness to risk their lives to protect their colleagues, in a near impossible situation. The Board members believe every possible effort was made to rescue and recover Ambassador Stevens and Sean Smith.

The interagency response was timely and appropriate, but there simply was not enough time for armed U.S. military assets to have made a difference.

4. The Board found that intelligence provided no immediate, specific tactical warning of the September 11 attacks. Known gaps existed in the intelligence community’s understanding of extremist militias in Libya and the potential threat they posed to U.S. interests, although some threats were known to exist.

5. The Board found that certain senior State Department officials within two bureaus demonstrated a lack of proactive leadership and management ability in their responses to security concerns posed by Special Mission Benghazi, given the deteriorating threat environment and the lack of reliable host government protection. However, the Board did not find reasonable cause to determine that any individual U.S. government employee breached his or her duty.
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4 people are dead, it makes no difference if they were murdered by terrorists protesting the movie or other terrorists murdered them, they've been killed....they are dead, either situation shows that there was not enough security, we failed, because if there was enough, the 4 would not be dead. That's what I got out of hillary's statement...
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We all know the Secretary is well respected and that no one with any credibility has accused her of lying because there is no credible reason for her to lie...
"The files mysteriously showed up on my desk", "I was pinned down by sniper fire", "They attacked the embassy because of a video".
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By Simon Maloy

Washington Post media writer Erik Wemple has been working doggedly to correct one of Sean Hannity's favorite false claims about the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi: that State Department officials watched "real-time" video of the assault from an office in Washington, DC. Wemple's efforts got an assist from Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who testified before the House Committee on Foreign Affairs on January 23: "There was no monitor, there was no real time." As Wemple's debunking of the falsehood makes clear, Hannity has been the primary driver of this claim by repeating on a near-daily basis. But the "real-time" video falsehood did not start with the Fox News host. In fact, one of the first mentions -- perhaps the first -- of the spurious Benghazi video was on Jennifer Rubin's Washington Post blog.

The whole story starts with an October 10, 2012, hearing of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. At that hearing, Charlene Lamb, the deputy assistant secretary of state for international programs, had this exchange with Rep. James Lankford (R-OK), describing how she followed via telephone the developments in the Benghazi attack as they were happening:
DETAILS: Who Started The Benghazi "Real-Time" Video Falsehood? | Blog | Media Matters for America

Fox News and Benghazi video: For real? - Erik Wemple - The Washington Post
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Drones Provided Real-Time Video Surveillance of Benghazi Attack if Dispatched in Time


By Liz Klimas
Oct. 29, 2012

With the Obama Administration facing criticism of being too slow in its response to attacks on the U.S. consulate in Libya on September 11, 2012, there have been allegations that the Pentagon and/or the State Department could have been watching a live feed of the violent conflict where four Americans were killed, suggesting help could have been on the way sooner.

Some, such as Geraldo, have called this notion “preposterous.” But is it really? For starters, the technology does exist to provide near real-time video from surveillance drones, so the key question is whether drones were dispatched to the scene in time to provide useful information.

It is clear that a real-time feed of what was going on in Benghazi from the beginning would not be available unless the surveillance technology was already set, like a drone already in place for observation. John Pike, director of Global Security.org, told TheBlaze with drone technology it would have been “quite possible” for officials to view a live feed of the attacks, “but there would have been no reason to [send a drone] in advance and not enough time once the attack started.”

Reports are that two drones were diverted from original missions after two and a half hours and four hours and 15 minutes, respectively, to Benghazi. Depending on where they were coming from, it could have taken hours more before they could start sending officials images of what was going on.

CBS News reported that a Predator drone was sent to scene two and a half hours into the attack. At the time it arrived, it could have allowed military officials to observe the conflict at that point. CBS went on to say that a second drone was sent four hours and 15 minutes later.

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Experts: Drones Could Have Provided Real-Time Video Surveillance of Benghazi Attack if Dispatched in Time | Video | TheBlaze.com
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We all know the Secretary is well respected and that no one with any credibility has accused her of lying because there is no credible reason for her to lie...
"The files mysteriously showed up on my desk", "I was pinned down by sniper fire", "They attacked the embassy because of a video".
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Washington Post media writer Erik Wemple has been working doggedly to correct one of Sean Hannity's favorite false claims about the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi: that State Department officials watched "real-time" video of the assault from an office in Washington, DC. Wemple's efforts got an assist from Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who testified before the House Committee on Foreign Affairs on January 23: "There was no monitor, there was no real time." As Wemple's debunking of the falsehood makes clear, Hannity has been the primary driver of this claim by repeating on a near-daily basis. But the "real-time" video falsehood did not start with the Fox News host. In fact, one of the first mentions -- perhaps the first -- of the spurious Benghazi video was on Jennifer Rubin's Washington Post blog.

The whole story starts with an October 10, 2012, hearing of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. At that hearing, Charlene Lamb, the deputy assistant secretary of state for international programs, had this exchange with Rep. James Lankford (R-OK), describing how she followed via telephone the developments in the Benghazi attack as they were happening:
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Fox News and Benghazi video: For real? - Erik Wemple - The Washington Post
Yeah but Hillary wasn't watching the battle. Obama and his regime were the ones who had a ringside seat. Why rely on the testimony of a inept appointee who shrieks "what difference does it make" when she is stuck for an answer answer and maybe ask somebody who was there like the freaking president? They have satellite technology that can read your license plate from space. Don't you think the president has access to it?
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When the rubes regurgitated the "Obama watched as they died" fabrication for weeks on end, they betrayed themselves as not being the slightest bit interested in discovering the truth. So any faux concern they express over Benghazi should be taken as nothing more significant than the posturing of empty-headed puppets.

That's what the "what does it matter" remark by Hillary means. She is rightfully blowing off the nitwits who have false pretensions. They don't merit a response to any of their questions.
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When the rubes regurgitated the "Obama watched as they died" fabrication for weeks on end, they betrayed themselves as not being the slightest bit interested in discovering the truth. So any faux concern they express over Benghazi should be taken as the posturing of empty-headed puppets.
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The pathetic revisionism begins:
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With the Obama Administration facing criticism of being too slow in its response to attacks on the U.S. consulate in Libya on September 11, 2012, there have been allegations that the Pentagon and/or the State Department could have been watching a live feed of the violent conflict where four Americans were killed, suggesting help could have been on the way sooner.
Note the words "could have been". I guess the puppeteers are hoping you don't notice they are backing away from the dead certainty they had in the weeks leading up to the election about Obama watching while they died.

Now, it's, "Um...wellllll...such a thing is possible, but he probably...um...wasn't watching while they were actually dying. Um. Maybe a little later he was watching. Yeah. That's it."


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Really? Didn't Barack, Hillary, and Susan all say it was protesters?
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Four people died because of this administration's incompetence, and you liberals who defend Hillary should be ashamed of yourselves. You wouldn't be dismissing this if one of those victims had been a family member of YOUR'S.
You bet. If they had relatives in that consulate they would be singing a different tune. Big time. And If Bush were POTUS during Benghazi they would be screaming like stuck pigs and demanding answers. They would be saying he let them die as he jetted off to his Vegas fundraiser. Oh wait. I forgot. That was the current fuck in the WH. Never mind.

Of course because its the current fuck in the WH they don't want any other answer than the one the administration is putting out. Of course they would never lie. They are Dems.

An admiral and a general both get relieved of command?? Coincidence?? Don't know bout you but I'm not a big believer in coincidence.

The State Department ignored repeated requests for more security. Hell other embassies and the Red Cross pulled out because of threats. That speaks volumes right there.

No. Benghazi was a major fuck up by the fucks State Department. Its just to bad that the bosses weren't in that consulate when the attack occurred. They would be dead instead of those four very good men.
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Four people died because of this administration's incompetence, and you liberals who defend Hillary should be ashamed of yourselves. You wouldn't be dismissing this if one of those victims had been a family member of YOUR'S.
I think it's despicable when people attach themselves to the pain of others. We are all Americans but we are not all suffering. The Administration is not at fault for the violence

Administrations don't kill Ambassadors, terrorists do.
Adminstrations also have an obligation to protect American working for them.

Terrorists did kill those four very good men and the administration did nothing to assist those four very good men. Terrorist might not have been able to kill them if security had been beefed up. Hell other embassies and the Red Cross pulled out because of threats. We should have done the same. Failing that we should have beefed up security big time.

That wasn't done and four very good men are dead.
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The fact remains that the state department was apprised of the situation, yes, in real time, and lied to the American people concerning the incident.

Do you think they lied to the president, too?
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When the rubes regurgitated the "Obama watched as they died" fabrication for weeks on end, they betrayed themselves as not being the slightest bit interested in discovering the truth. So any faux concern they express over Benghazi should be taken as nothing more significant than the posturing of empty-headed puppets.

That's what the "what does it matter" remark by Hillary means. She is rightfully blowing off the nitwits who have false pretensions. They don't merit a response to any of their questions.
No, she was covering her ass because she is guilty of betraying the American people by lying to them about what really happened at Benghazi.

What does it matter if they were informed by telephone or video? She knew the truth and lied.

Plainly, the president know the truth and, at best, was complicit in the lie to the American people.
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After apologizing for his loss, Woods said Clinton told him that the U.S. would
“make sure that the person who made that film is arrested and prosecuted.”
Hillary Clinton to father of American murdered in Libya: We?ll ?make sure that the person who made that film is arrested and prosecuted? | RedState

This was done BEFORE the election. By pointing to the video ANY possible "Terrorist" Act was refuted.
The blame was first put on the video. Hillary's words.

Directed by political considerations that the slogan "Osama is dead..GM alive" showed voters Obama tough on terrorists and winning the war!

Blaming the video kept that falsehood alive and all to protect a political perception to secure voters for re-election!

Side note... another example of MSM bias... little if ANY comment regarding Hillary's statement either at the time or in clarifying her testimony!
NO MSM seemed to see the linkage between her comment to Woods' father and political expediency!
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