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Personally I could give shit one.

Throughout history there have been poor. There will always be poor. If they don't have the incentive to change their situation then sorry for the're luck.

I don't feel responsible for anyone but me and mine. I certainly don't feel responsible for anyone elses lot in life.

Spoken like a true blue American. Fukem, I got mine. It's really great what we are becoming. Of course, the poor don't give a fuk about you either, so I guess you all are even up.
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Hey I take it that you are looking to hire some undereducated, no math skill, barely speak English person that hasn't worked in 10 years and pay them a living wage. So you can help them out of their misery? Is that correct?

Or do you know someone looking to hire these individuals?

Cause I know a couple people that fit that description if you are hiring.
What's your point?

Are you saying you're in favor of undereducated immigrants without any skills, that can't even speak English, without any intention of ever working coming here only to start milking our welfare system?

MY point? I was asking if you are hiring these kinds of workers cause I know a couple and they are not immigrants. If you or no one else is hiring workers like this, how they gonna get a job?
They're not immigrants and they can't speak English?

There's no excuse for that, unless they have severe mental difficulties or a disability, which is a completely different story.

But if their unwillingness to learn is keeping them from getting a job, then they shouldn't be maintained by others for doing nothing.

So to answer your question, no, I'm not looking to hire them.
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Personally I could give shit one.

Throughout history there have been poor. There will always be poor. If they don't have the incentive to change their situation then sorry for the're luck.

I don't feel responsible for anyone but me and mine. I certainly don't feel responsible for anyone elses lot in life.

Spoken like a true blue American. Fukem, I got mine. It's really great what we are becoming. Of course, the poor don't give a fuk about you either, so I guess you all are even up.
Brilliant liberal retort.

But that's not how it goes. If they're unwilling to learn or better themselves, why should we be held accountable for them? It's not about us not caring about them; it's about them not caring about themselves.
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I prefer to do both

Provide a safety net and a means to improve your lot in life
Statistics aren't on your side.

The ever increasing number of people going on welfare has been steadily increasing the last four years. If you consider that improving someone's quality of life, I'm not sure we can take you seriously.
Economy has been shit for four years

The wealthy, of course, were the first to recover from a massive recession

The poor, as usual, will be the last
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Provide a safety net and a means to improve your lot in life
Statistics aren't on your side.

The ever increasing number of people going on welfare has been steadily increasing the last four years. If you consider that improving someone's quality of life, I'm not sure we can take you seriously.
Economy has been shit for four years

The wealthy, of course, were the first to recover from a massive recession

The poor, as usual, will be the last
And for the last four years we've had the most regulations, bureaucracy, lobbying, crony capitalism, and government spending than ever before.

And for things to get better you're asking for more regulations, more bureaucracy, more lobbying, more crony capitalism, and more government spending?

You've got to be kidding me.
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Provide a safety net and a means to improve your lot in life
Statistics aren't on your side.

The ever increasing number of people going on welfare has been steadily increasing the last four years. If you consider that improving someone's quality of life, I'm not sure we can take you seriously.
You mean food stamps, right?
Because if you mean TANF you would be wrong. People going on welfare and TANF has been decreasing since 1996.
We spend half of what we used to on TANF/welfare.
"The cash assistance portion of TANF has fallen to $9.6 billion in 2011, down from $20.4 billion in what were mostly cash benefits in 1996, according to an analysis by CLASP, a low-income advocacy group. The average number of people receiving payments per month is 4.6 million, down from 12.6 million."
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Would you rather help a poor man so he's comfortable in poverty, or help a poor man rise up from poverty?
When I saw your question about what to do with the poor posed directly beneath the picture of a lion, my first thought was that you were proposing lion food.

I gather that you are referring to welfare programs. I would rather give a hand up as opposed to a hand out. Welfare should not be anything more than a temporary hand up. It shouldn't be a lifestyle. Able bodied people should have to work.
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Statistics aren't on your side.

The ever increasing number of people going on welfare has been steadily increasing the last four years. If you consider that improving someone's quality of life, I'm not sure we can take you seriously.
Economy has been shit for four years

The wealthy, of course, were the first to recover from a massive recession

The poor, as usual, will be the last
And for the last four years we've had the most regulations, bureaucracy, lobbying, crony capitalism, and government spending than ever before.

And for things to get better you're asking for more regulations, more bureaucracy, more lobbying, more crony capitalism, and more government spending?

You've got to be kidding me.
No we haven't
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Provide a safety net and a means to improve your lot in life
Statistics aren't on your side.

The ever increasing number of people going on welfare has been steadily increasing the last four years. If you consider that improving someone's quality of life, I'm not sure we can take you seriously.
You mean food stamps, right?
Because if you mean TANF you would be wrong. People going on welfare and TANF has been decreasing since 1996.
We spend half of what we used to on TANF/welfare.
"The cash assistance portion of TANF has fallen to $9.6 billion in 2011, down from $20.4 billion in what were mostly cash benefits in 1996, according to an analysis by CLASP, a low-income advocacy group. The average number of people receiving payments per month is 4.6 million, down from 12.6 million."
Welfare spending cut in half since reform - Aug. 9, 2012
No, I'm not just talking about food stamps. I'm talking about everything.

Obama?s Legacy: $1.03 Trillion in Welfare Spending | RedState

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In terms of the price tag, Obama has increased federal welfare spending by 32%, from $563.413 billion in FY 2008 to $745.84 billion in FY 2011. Keep in mind that this figure doesn’t include the roughly $1.57 trillion in spending for the three major entitlement programs (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid).
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I believe that poor people are responsilbe. Responsible for getting some food, a roof over their heads and some clothes on their body.

I think we should cut welfare benefits off after one month. If you can't find work in this economy after a month, you just don't want to work. And no medical benefits. If you're real sick, hurry up and die.
Fuk the food stamps. You got hungry kids? You should have thought of that before you had kids.

You know what, I think I could get a handle on this conservatism bull shit. Just take what ever you can from those that have less than you and give it to those that have a lot more than you.

How easy it that?

In other words, fuck the poor people, right?
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Would you rather help a poor man so he's comfortable in poverty, or help a poor man rise up from poverty?
You can find out how much people get on welfare and post it so we all can see you are a liar.
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Don't you just love how the Nutter's go on about how liberals demand equality of outcome in things like education or other issues? Equality in opportunity is the way to go!

But...then we come to the poor people. Here, they demand equality of outcome. Everybody, regardless of their background, education, intelligence, health issues, family circumstance. They ALL should be able to fend for themselves and live as successfully as everyone else! Equality of outcome is the way to go!
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