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No American in the military would fire on their own people.
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If ordered to fire upon US Citizens, US military rank and file will turn against their leaders
Just like they did in 1861?
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Oh, and as for the OP:
Uniformed Services Oath of Office: "I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic..."

Oath of Enlistment: ""I, __________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.."

So this so called "litmus test" is willingness to follow the oath already given.

And while it has been a few years, are people forgetting we had a whole war that consisted entirely of shooting US citizens?
And if those elected have lied when taking this oath turn against us, are we expected follow their orders and kill fellow Americans?
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No American in the military would fire on their own people.
Are you forgetting that we already had a Civil War?
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Oh, and as for the OP:
Uniformed Services Oath of Office: "I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic..."

Oath of Enlistment: ""I, __________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.."

So this so called "litmus test" is willingness to follow the oath already given.

And while it has been a few years, are people forgetting we had a whole war that consisted entirely of shooting US citizens?
And if those elected have lied when taking this oath turn against us,
I have no idea what that's supposed to mean. Please give an example.
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Obama Asks Military Leaders If They Will “Fire On US Citizens”

Obama Asks Military Leaders If They Will “Fire On US Citizens”


Jim Garrow is a public figure, not an anonymous voice on the Internet, which makes his claim all the more disturbing. “I have just been informed by a former senior military leader that Obama is using a new “litmus test” in determining who will stay and who must go in his military leaders. Get ready to explode folks. “The new litmus test of leadership in the military is if they will fire on US citizens or not”. Those who will not are being removed,” Garrow wrote on his Facebook page, later following up the post by adding the man who told him is, “one of America’s foremost military heroes,” whose goal in divulging the information was to “sound the alarm.”
Garrow’s claim is even more explosive given that the country is in the throes of a national debate about gun control, with gun rights advocates keen to insist that the founders put the second amendment in the Constitution primarily as a defense against government tyranny. It also follows reports on Sunday that General James Mattis, head of the United States Central Command, “is being told to vacate his office several months earlier than planned.” Concerns over US troops being given orders to fire on American citizens in the event of mass gun confiscation first arose in 1995 when hundreds of Marines at 29 Palms, California were given a survey as part of an academic project by Navy Lieutenant Commander Ernest Guy Cunningham which asked the Marines if they would, “Fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the United States government.”

The survey was subsequently leaked because many of the Marines who took it were shocked by the tone of the question. The US Military has clearly outlined innumerable civil emergency scenarios under which troops would be authorized to fire on U.S. citizens. In July 2012, the process by which this could take place was made clear in a leaked US Army Military Police training manual for “Civil Disturbance Operations” (PDF) dating from 2006. Similar plans were also outlined in an updated manual released in 2010 entitled FM 3-39.40 Internment and Resettlement Operations. The 2006 document outlines how military assets will be used to “help local and state authorities to restore and maintain law and order” in the event of mass riots, civil unrest or a declaration of martial law.

On page 20 of the manual, rules regarding the use of “deadly force” in confronting “dissidents” on American soil are made disturbingly clear with the directive that a, “Warning shot will not be fired.” Given that second amendment advocates are now being depicted as dangerous terrorists by the federal government and local law enforcement, Garrow’s claim is sure to stoke controversy given that Americans are seeing their gun rights eviscerated while the federal government itself stockpiles billions of bullets.

Last week, Gloversville Mayor Dayton King warned that any federal gun confiscation program could lead to a “Waco-style standoff” in rural areas of America.

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It never stops, does it? Extreme partisanship on both sides. This time, it is the idiocracy of the right wing. They are SO convinced that the very military they idolize, worship and hold Holy will somehow turn into mindless zombified killing machines to be unleashed on their own friends, families, neighbors.

Right wingers- do you REALLY have that little faith in the military?

And Im sorry to say, but there is just no way the military, US or any other, would win an occupation war with the American people. We basically lost the occupation (not the war) of Iraq, and Afghanistan isnt going much better. If we cant occupy and control a bunch of goat farmers with old AK's, then how can we do that to this nation, full of much technically smarter and heavily armed people? Add to that the compassion the troops would feel towards our people, making the killing even harder (You need to read "On Killing" by Lt. Grossman), and its a nearly impossible thought that our military would be unleashed on us.
Right wingers have more faith in what they imagine than what the physical evidence tells us. Especially when it comes to science.
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Oh, and as for the OP:
Uniformed Services Oath of Office: "I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic..."

Oath of Enlistment: ""I, __________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.."

So this so called "litmus test" is willingness to follow the oath already given.

And while it has been a few years, are people forgetting we had a whole war that consisted entirely of shooting US citizens?
And if those elected have lied when taking this oath turn against us,
I have no idea what that's supposed to mean. Please give an example.
Barack Obama has taken the oath of office for the second time. He has circumvented the Constitution of the United States on several occassions during his previous term. His latest violation of his oath is to destroy the Second Amendment to our Constitution by Executive Order. Has Obama lied to the American PEOPLE when taking his oath of offce? You decide...
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Obama Asks Military Leaders If They Will “Fire On US Citizens”


Jim Garrow is a public figure, not an anonymous voice on the Internet, which makes his claim all the more disturbing. “I have just been informed by a former senior military leader that Obama is using a new “litmus test” in determining who will stay and who must go in his military leaders. Get ready to explode folks. “The new litmus test of leadership in the military is if they will fire on US citizens or not”. Those who will not are being removed,” Garrow wrote on his Facebook page, later following up the post by adding the man who told him is, “one of America’s foremost military heroes,” whose goal in divulging the information was to “sound the alarm.”
A Facebook entry is a reliable source now? It's a completely unsubstantiated rumor.


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It also follows reports on Sunday that General James Mattis, head of the United States Central Command, “is being told to vacate his office several months earlier than planned.”
Apparantly Gen Mattis rubbed a lot of people the wrong way...happens all the time. Doesn't mean anything ominousl


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Concerns over US troops being given orders to fire on American citizens in the event of mass gun confiscation first arose in 1995 when hundreds of Marines at 29 Palms, California were given a survey as part of an academic project by Navy Lieutenant Commander Ernest Guy Cunningham which asked the Marines if they would, “Fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the United States government.”
Note: "academic project" which was falsely portrayed by many paranoid people as being an offical government inquiry. And notice that it was in 1995...hardly a precusor to anything.

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The US Military has clearly outlined innumerable civil emergency scenarios under which troops would be authorized to fire on U.S. citizens.
Well, yeah..."all enemies foreign and domestic."


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In July 2012, the process by which this could take place was made clear in a leaked US Army Military Police training manual for “Civil Disturbance Operations” (PDF) dating from 2006.
2006. So how is this something to do with Obama?

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Similar plans were also outlined in an updated manual released in 2010 entitled FM 3-39.40 Internment and Resettlement Operations. The 2006 document outlines how military assets will be used to “help local and state authorities to restore and maintain law and order” in the event of mass riots, civil unrest or a declaration of martial law.
Of course. There are contingency plans for everything. Hell, we have a plan for the invasion of Canada.

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On page 20 of the manual, rules regarding the use of “deadly force” in confronting “dissidents” on American soil are made disturbingly clear with the directive that a, “Warning shot will not be fired.”
We're soldiers. We don't fire warning shots. But that doesn't mean we murder civilians either. I can't access the FM from work but I'll bet it doesn't say we should commit murder.

And if someone fires on me, damn straight I'll fire back. I'm not going to get myself shot because some idiot happens to be a US citizen. Is that how you think it should work? That a civilian armed with a gun can just walk on to say a military post and start shooting and nobody can shoot back because he's a US citizen? Ridiculous.

Now, if you can find anything specific about murdering civilians, I'll listen. But you have nothing. The 29 Palms survey didn't ask about murder.
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And if those elected have lied when taking this oath turn against us,
I have no idea what that's supposed to mean. Please give an example.
Barack Obama has taken the oath of office for the second time.
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He has circumvented the Constitution of the United States on several occassions during his previous term.
Such as?

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His latest violation of his oath is to destroy the Second Amendment to our Constitution by Executive Order.
I've read the Executive Orders. Nothing in them "destroys" the Second Ammendment. Nothing in them infringes in the least on the right to own guns. Which particular executive order (none of them have been formally published, by the way) do you think destroys the 2nd ammendment?


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Has Obama lied to the American PEOPLE when taking his oath of offce? You decide...
You have to present evidence first. You haven't. You've just made assertions.
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No American in the military would fire on their own people.
Are you forgetting that we already had a Civil War?
May I remind you it was the Sothern States in favor of slavery that seceded from the Union. It was not individual Americans.
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Let's go even further back:
18 U.S.C. § 1385 : US Code - Section 1385: Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus
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Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
The Navy and Marine Corps are also included under DoD regulations. The Act does not apply to the Coast Guard or to the National Guard when under control of the Governor of their State.

We also have 10 U.S.C. § 375 : US Code - Section 375: Restriction on direct participation by military personnel
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The Secretary of Defense shall prescribe such regulations as may be necessary to ensure that any activity (including the provision of any equipment or facility or the assignment or detail of any personnel) under this chapter does not include or permit direct participation by a member of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps in a search, seizure, arrest, or other similar activity unless participation in such activity by such member is otherwise authorized by law.
Note that these are laws and that an Executive order cannot override them (not that any are attempting to).

So any order to enforce gun control laws (which is the current paranoid fear) would be unlawful anyway regardless of any firing on citizens.

The exceptions to the Posse Comitatus Act are covered in the Insurrection Act:
10 U.S.C. § 331 : US Code - Section 331: Federal aid for State governments
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Whenever there is an insurrections in any State against its government, the President may, upon the request of its legislature or of its governor if the legislature cannot be convened, call into Federal service such of the militia of the other States, in the number requested by that State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to suppress the insurrection.
10 U.S.C. § 332 : US Code - Section 332: Use of militia and armed forces to enforce Federal authority
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Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws or to suppress the rebellion.
10 U.S.C. § 333 : US Code - Section 333: Major public emergencies; interference with State and Federal law
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(A) restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States, the President determines that -
(i) domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order; and
(ii) such violence results in a condition described in paragraph (2); or
(B) suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such insurrection, violation, combination, or conspiracy results in a condition described in paragraph (2).

(2) A condition described in this paragraph is a condition that -

(A) so hinders the execution of the laws of a State or possession, as applicable, and of the United States within that State or possession, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted
authorities of that State or possession are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or
(B) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.
(3) In any situation covered by paragraph (1)(B), the State shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.
(b) Notice to Congress. - The President shall notify Congress of the determination to exercise the authority in subsection (a)(1)(A) as soon as practicable after the determination and every 14 days thereafter during the duration of the exercise of that authority.
10 U.S.C. § 334 : US Code - Section 334: Proclamation to disperse
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Whenever the President considers it necessary to use the militia or the armed forces under this chapter, he shall, by proclamation, immediately order the insurgents or those obstructing the enforcement of the laws to disperse and retire peaceably to their abodes within a limited time.
So, can the President use the military to surpress Rebellion and Insurrection? Of course.
Can the President use the military to enforce the law? No, unless it rises to the conditions of rebellion/insurrection.
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