The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Mail Online

The US is NOT behind the UK in murders. Your OP doesn't even claim that and difference in the rate isn't even close.

The US may be behind the UK in violent crimes. We would need to see how both classify those numbers.

Violent crime?

Who gives a shit about violent crime? We are talking blood spattering murder rate here.

The US at #28 just doesn't cut it. We need to work on getting to #1

UK is a bunch of pussies when it comes to murder

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The citations for those data are non functional, unfortunately. Even if we do take it to be accurate, it still clearly shows US crime rates to be dwarfed by those of many other countries.

Let's do two things here. First, let's find some more authoritative sources for our information (I'm going to start with the FBI website) and let's take a more comprehensive look at available data to try to better identify causal factors relating to crime.

According to the FBI, there were 1,203,564 violent crimes in 2011 (most recent available data) in the United States. Using the figure 311,800,000 as the mid 2011 population of the United States that computes out to a crime rate of 0.00386% or 386 for every 100,000 people. This figure is lower than that provided by the video.

Due to differing definitions of "violent" crime, direct statistical comparisons can be difficult and require a great deal of time breaking down the numbers, so I'm not going to go too far in depth on those statistics at this point. But according to this UK newspaper the UK is indeed considered the most violent country in the EU, as described by the video, and has rates of violence that are greater than that of the US. The UK tracks crime statistics along fiscal years (July to June) and the government's report on 2010-2011 crime stats in Great Britian can be found here. (PDF file)

One thing we can compare directly are homicide rates. For the Britain it's 642 total homicides, while Britain's population in 2011 was reported as 56,100,000. This is 1.14 per 100,000. And that is certainly lower than the US's rate of 4.356 per 100,000 (1.2% of all violent crime).

However, it is also worth noting that both the US and Great Britain have been experiencing downward trends of all these kinds of crimes for many years now. Thus, looking at single years is not a good way to appraise the state of crime control and prevention in either country, especially if we want to gauge whether or not the differences in our gun policy may have any contribution to our respective crime rates. So, I decided to take a look at what happened in Britain pre-1997 and compare it to the current stats.

These data are, unfortunately, difficult to come by. But I did find this government report from 2004 that had some important clue about the historical trends and comparisons. For example, page 14 addresses use of weapons specifically, and has this to say:

Latest data show that almost three-quarters of violent incidents did not involve the use of a weapon (72%). The proportion of incidents in which a weapon was used has, however, increased significantly since the 1998 BCS. Since the last data (2001/02 BCS) the proportion of stranger violence incidents involving weapons has also increased.

(emphasis mine) Also in the report:

Overall, firearms were only used in one per cent of violent incidents. This is a consistent
finding from previous survey results.

This data starts to paint a much more meaningful picture of crime rates, trends, and the possible affects of differing US and British gun control policies on the same. What we can see from the data is that Britain has always had lower crime rates than the US, and their rates of crime involving firearms has always been lower than the US. The legality, or lack thereof, of guns in the UK has neither contributed to nor detracted from the comparative crime rates between the two countries. Outlawing guns in the UK has not caused less crime. The rate of crime involving a firearm has remained constant. While Britain has seen a downward trend in crime in recent years, the US has also seen a downward trend.

Based on these data and facts, it is impossible to conclude that Britain's lower violent crime rates, or rates of crime involving a firearm, are due to their restrictive gun policy. In fact, the opposite conclusion emerges: Restrictive gun policy has had no meaningful effect on crime rates generally, nor on violent crime rates, nor on rates of crimes involving firearms. The differences in these rates must be caused by entirely different social and cultural factors.

My mistake

The point of my mistake to see if you would admit the UK leads the US in violent crimes.

So tell me would the UK be so violent if it's citizens would be armed?

The firearm related death rate also includes this such as SUICIDE... it is not just homicide.. hence why it is a skewed statistic on this.. for a person wanting to take their own life, if they do not have a firearm, will indeed take it another way

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Sooo, GB's HC sucks?

Pasts that didn't GB have most violent crimes committed? The US was far far far far far behind, that's no deaths, no trauma care prevents that.

The point is clear and it’s a little surprising you can’t see it, that if you take away guns bad people find other ways to hurt, rob or kill people… As proven by, reality and numbers and all that chit.

Do you ask the same question about the WHO healthcare rankings?? Or do you just bring it up when it suits your agenda??

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I will have no issue doing so as long as you can show that violent crimes are classified the same way in both countries.

As has already been pointed out, it is broken down on the chart.

I don't think I've ever used those rankings in a discussion before. Thanks for asking though.

I notice when you get owned you start posting like you are now. Why can't you just accept we are 28th and that's AMAZING NEWS, that's not really news... Point is, now that we are 28th, has your position on the second amendment changed, or do you still see it as something that needs to be repealed and done away with?

Then of course what do you base your position off if you still wana take guns away despite them making people statistically safer than countries that have very strict gins laws?


I will not get an answer.

Then go the fuck out and find the info an put it in the thread. Fact is you don’t want to because you know it's irrelevant. It could be the same, it could be that the US's numbers are much higher because we accept/count less violent crimes counted as violent crimes in comparison...

You just want to leave it open so you have something, just something to hold on to.