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"Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all."

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It seems sadly obvious that most if not all of those who parrot the far-right's condemnation of the Progressive left as having a socialist agenda and choosing to embrace communism have little to no idea what communism and socialism are about. I suspect most of these corporatist acolytes are of an age and occupy a social category in which their working class parents provided them with a comfortable middle class upbringing as the direct result of moderate socialist influence on the U.S. Economy which came about because of the New Deal.

These pathetically ignorant ingrates are blind to the fact that the socialist influences which facilitated their middle class lifestyles have been and are being incrementally removed by an emerging corporatocracy which is dedicated to renewing the Robber Baron era by eliminating the middle class and restoring the Gilded Age. What is most discouraging about this cult of ignorance is in spite of abundant evidence of the systematic reversal of middle class fortune there are none so blind as they who will not see.

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I don't see anyone arguing with them.
Wow, you really got me there,,,with your opinion. No facts, just an opinion that has been consisently more than just right wing,,,,try going to the fringe right wing. How about some factual examples? Thanks.
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Once the socialists infiltrated the educational system of the U.S. the textbooks started excluding the bloody and baleful history of communism and socialosm. These fellow has been lured in without a clue about the utterly failed approach to society. As any emigre from the Soviet set of countries can attest Communism is something to avoid at all costs. It sounds good in theory, but takes away incentive, hope and life itself.
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This thread perfectly condemns the ultra right and their running dog allies, the libertarians.
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Once the socialists infiltrated the educational system of the U.S. the textbooks started excluding the bloody and baleful history of communism and socialosm. These fellow has been lured in without a clue about the utterly failed approach to society.
where in the fuck to do you people come up with this shit? really, I would like to know.


Speaking from experience. I graduated from a Public HS in 1998, a while ago but can clearly recall my history books not exactly making the ex Soviet Union sound all that grand. I also recall my text books telling me America was special and the greatest nation in the world.

You right wingers are straight poison. You just make shit up as you go it seems.
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This thread perfectly condemns the ultra right and their running dog allies, the libertarians.
You're a senile commie moron, fakey, so no one cares about your opinion on the subject.
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Actually, Americans in their vast numbers simply laugh at libertarianism, rightly so.
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Once the socialists infiltrated the educational system of the U.S. the textbooks started excluding the bloody and baleful history of communism and socialosm. These fellow has been lured in without a clue about the utterly failed approach to society. As any emigre from the Soviet set of countries can attest Communism is something to avoid at all costs. It sounds good in theory, but takes away incentive, hope and life itself.
The main problem with communism is it too easily devolves from an idealistically ambitious political refuge for an impoverished and oppressed people into militant totalitarianism, the Soviet Union being a prime example of that. So if you consider Stalinism to be a useful example of communism you need to look more closely at the facts.
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The ultra right and the libertarians confuse the obligations that differentiate government and society. As "a result of this, every time we support a thing being done by government," the libertarians and ultra right believe that government is infringing on their right to be held accountable for their public conduct.
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It seems sadly obvious that most if not all of those who parrot the far-right's condemnation of the Progressive left as having a socialist agenda and choosing to embrace communism have little to no idea what communism and socialism are about. I suspect most of these corporatist acolytes are of an age and occupy a social category in which their working class parents provided them with a comfortable middle class upbringing as the direct result of moderate socialist influence on the U.S. Economy which came about because of the New Deal.

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They proudly carry the executioner's axe to their own beheading.
you just added credence to the premise of this thread.
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Wow, you really got me there,,,with your opinion. No facts, just an opinion that has been consisently more than just right wing,,,,try going to the fringe right wing. How about some factual examples? Thanks.
Maxine Waters Wants To Socialize Oil Companies | Judicial Watch

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California’s most influential black lawmaker, Democrat Representative Maxine Waters, made the threat during recent congressional hearings with oil company executives. She said the federal government would take over their industry if they failed to do something to stop the escalating price of gasoline.

Waters told the president of a major oil company to “guess what this liberal would be all about? This liberal would be all about socializing — uh, uh, would be about basically taking over and the government running all of your companies.”
Good!

Waters is right. Government should assume dominant control of the oil industry. It is much too vital to national security and its influence on the Economy is much too strong to allow it free rein.

PS: In case anyone is wondering: Yes -- I am a socialist.
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So, Yidnar.
I'm a centrist. I prefer elements of both sides. My questions are these:
1. Do you have parents, grandparents, or other close relatives on social security? If so, they are being assisted by a socialist program. This helps ensure that they aren't lying in the streets, begging.
2. Do you have parents, grandparents, or other close relatives using medicare? If so, they are being assisted by a socialist program. This helps ensure that they get some basic health care when they are ill, or very old and need assistance.
I don't think of aiding the elderly with my tax dollars as bad. It's called compassion. If you do, then talk to those close to you who collect social security or use medicare and convince them to stop accepting them and see how long they remain in their homes or live. We tout ourselves as the "best" country in the world and that we are "number one." It's a bit hypocritical to brag that we are the best, when we are the only westernized nation in which people can go bankrupt over health care, we are not tops in student science and math scores and we are now primarily a consumer nation, rather than a producing nation (the last because of the free-trade acts).
This nation is too focused on greed. Money is no different than crack-cocaine or heroin to the ultra-rich. They can't make enough money and want to find anyway to reduce or eliminate paying taxes, as they feel that paying taxes should be the burden of the little people (as Leona Helmsley would say).
I have worked hard for my money and if some of it has to go to help others less fortunate, then so be it.
You on the other hand are nothing more than a product of the greed culture.
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