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Barack Obama doesn't care about the American economy, in so far as it doesn't jeopardize his chances at being elected president for life in 2016. Michelle will be loathe to give up her 54 Christmas trees. He also won't do anything to lift you from your indolence and sloth if you don't want to be removed, however he will promise you to make your indolence and sloth more comfortable. If you vote for him of course. Its all political calculation with Mr Obama, no desire that you improve your lot, unless he needs to see that happen in order to get your vote. He is after all the Supreme being. His mirror tells him that.
Fiscal cliff ? What fiscal cliff? Evidently the poor you shall always have with you, or something like that
Mr Hillman, of the story below, does supply a need in this world. He does provide a cause celebre' for the NYT and the rest of the Liberal Media to beat their breasts while carrying on dolefully about the state of the maldistribution of this country's wealth, which sets the political stage for charlatans and demagogues like Barack Obama or France's Francois Hollande to exploit. Quoting Monsieur Hollande "There's no need for austerity. There's plenty of money out there for the government to extort, expropriate, or steal". Meanwhile one of the first results of Monsieur Hollande's attempted expropiation of wealth with his 75% income tax was to turn the Paris real estate market into something resembling the scene aboard the MS St Louis carrying the German Jews trying to flee Germany after Hitler came to power. France has a long tradition of that type of behavior. It started shortly after the first Bastille Day and gave us Dicken's scenes of the tundrils bearing their hapless cargo along with Madame deFarge knitting away. Baracky Obammunist seeks to bring a little of that here. Makes him seem like Robin Hood to the witless who cast their vote and to his own self perception.]

"You have probably heard the story of the shoeless beggar found on a New York City street by a NYPD officer. A passerby photographed NYPD Officer Lawrence DePrimo kneeling beside the man on a cold November night in Times Square, giving him a pair of boots. The photo, shot by tourist Jennifer Foster on her phone, went viral. I originally found the story here via ABC News. The story was held out as demonstrating the power of one random act of kindness, as in the video posted with ABC’s account.

The New York Times updated the story over the weekend, identifying the shoeless beggar:


His name is Jeffrey Hillman, and on Sunday night, he was once again wandering the streets — this time on the Upper West Side — with no shoes.

The $100 pair of boots that Officer DePrimo had bought for him at a Skechers store on Nov. 14 were nowhere to be seen.

“Those shoes are hidden. They are worth a lot of money,” Mr. Hillman said in an interview on Broadway in the 70s. “I could lose my life.”

Mr. Hillman, 54, was by turns aggrieved, grateful and taken aback by all the attention that had come his way — even as he struggled to figure out what to do about it.

“I was put on YouTube, I was put on everything without permission. What do I get?” he said. “This went around the world, and I want a piece of the pie.”

How did Mr. Hillman hits the skids? He doesn’t provide the Times a direct answer:


He was reluctant to talk about how he ended up on the streets, staring blankly ahead when asked how his life went off course.

After a long pause, he shook his head and said, “I don’t know.”

Since Mr. Hillman’s bare feet became famous, other people reported seeing him without shoes — one even after Officer DePrimo’s gift — and one woman said she had bought him a pair of shoes a year ago. Whatever the case, Mr. Hillman seemed accustomed to walking the pavement shoeless.

He was panhandling on Sunday night and carried a cup with a few coins inside.

The Times lets this update speak for itself. At the least, however, it raises a few interesting questions. Is the problem of poverty in the United States a lack of resources? Is the problem of homelessness the lack of a home? Doesn’t the man who wants “a piece of the pie” (hey, it’s only fair) badly need treatment that would have been forced on him in less enlightened times? And is he helped by helped by those who fill his tin cup?"

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The view from Obama's mirror is all that counts for the supreme narcissist. And if the economy does "Go to Hell in a handbasket", it wouldn't be a bad thing at all, because he then could offer them his Communist alternative, after all he did once note that when he stopped a few minutes into his first public speech to catch his breath he realized to himself he had them eating out of his hand, and nothing's changed since then.
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"Conservatives seem to be nonplussed about President Obama sending Treasury Secretary Geithner to Capitol Hill without a proposal for a grand bargain on entitlements. But why? Worrying about debt and default and entitlements is for the responsible people. Responsibility is for the people who believe in the "responsible self," the notion developed a couple of millennia ago during the Axial Age. Responsibility is for the bourgeoisie.

President Obama is above all that. Liberal politics in general is above all that. Their politics is about war, not about nice comfortable entitlements. President Obama's War? He's fighting a war on "inequality." Even the Washington Post's Zachary Goldfarb is willing to admit to that.

As Obama did in legislative fights during his first term, he also will be striving to reduce a three-decades-long wave of rising income inequality that has meant that fewer Americans have prospered while more struggle to get by.

There's a certain magnificent elegance to the president's war on inequality. It licenses him and his administration to do anything. More spending on the traditionally marginalized? Whatever it takes. Get the rich to pay a little more? It goes without saying.

In waging this war on inequality, it makes no sense to do a grand bargain on entitlements. What would that solve? It would freeze the status quo in place. But the war on inequality can never rest, can never end. A century from now, liberal scholars will be mining the national income data to find another "wave of rising income inequality" while "more struggle to get by."

How can the president rest in his lifelong struggle, his quest for the Great White Whale of equality, while the tide of inequality continues to rise?

So it makes complete sense that President Obama and his Treasury Secretary Geithner have not proposed a "grand bargain" on entitlements. The president is not interested in doing a deal on entitlements. He just wants more money in taxes to spend on his war on inequality.

Now, conservatives like to point out that the president's policy will lead to debt and default, and that the little people will suffer most when that happens. Too bad -- that's what happens in war. Did FDR call off World War II because he didn't want our boys to get killed? Did Ronald Reagan call off the Cold War? Did President Johnson call off the War on Poverty when it turned out that poverty won?

At least Obama is frank about his war on inequality. Previous Democratic presidents have had the modesty to hide their egalitarian lust behind a decent drapery of moderation.

But who knows? Maybe the liberals are right. Maybe the market economy run by the bourgeoisie, the package that has taken the human race from $3 per day to $120 per day in two centuries, really does produce intolerable inequality that can be corrected only with an authoritarian welfare state.

But here's what really sticks in my craw. President Obama is a guy who runs around the world offering resets and flexibility to the Putins, understanding to the Muslim Brotherhoods, and embraces to the Chávezes. But when it comes to Republicans, who are his fellow citizens, it's no-holds-barred, bare-knuckle politics: you bring a knife to the fight, and the president brings a gun. When it comes to authoritarian foreign leaders, the president leads with an olive branch. But when it comes to the loyal opposition, the president leads with his fist.

OK, Mr. President. So be it; that's your game. But we Republicans, we typical Americans, are playing a different game. It is called Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, and for that noble purpose and that purpose only will we sacrifice our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.

You see, Mr. President, we typical Americans believe that the American idea of limited government is a good one, the best yet. We believe that the notion of fighting "inequality" is nothing more than a ruling-class conceit, a thinly veiled apology for ruling-class tyranny."

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Barack Obama doesn't care about the American economy, in so far as it doesn't jeopardize his chances at being elected president for life in 2016. Michelle will be loathe to give up her 54 Christmas trees. He also won't do anything to lift you from your indolence and sloth if you don't want to be removed, however he will promise you to make your indolence and sloth more comfortable. If you vote for him of course. Its all political calculation with Mr Obama, no desire that you improve your lot, unless he needs to see that happen in order to get your vote. He is after all the Supreme being. His mirror tells him that.
Fiscal cliff ? What fiscal cliff? Evidently the poor you shall always have with you, or something like that
Mr Hillman, of the story below, does supply a need in this world. He does provide a cause celebre' for the NYT and the rest of the Liberal Media to beat their breasts while carrying on dolefully about the state of the maldistribution of this country's wealth, which sets the political stage for charlatans and demagogues like Barack Obama or France's Francois Hollande to exploit. Quoting Monsieur Hollande "There's no need for austerity. There's plenty of money out there for the government to extort, expropriate, or steal". Meanwhile one of the first results of Monsieur Hollande's attempted expropiation of wealth with his 75% income tax was to turn the Paris real estate market into something resembling the scene aboard the MS St Louis carrying the German Jews trying to flee Germany after Hitler came to power. France has a long tradition of that type of behavior. It started shortly after the first Bastille Day and gave us Dicken's scenes of the tundrils bearing their hapless cargo along with Madame deFarge knitting away. Baracky Obammunist seeks to bring a little of that here. Makes him seem like Robin Hood to the witless who cast their vote and to his own self perception.]

"You have probably heard the story of the shoeless beggar found on a New York City street by a NYPD officer. A passerby photographed NYPD Officer Lawrence DePrimo kneeling beside the man on a cold November night in Times Square, giving him a pair of boots. The photo, shot by tourist Jennifer Foster on her phone, went viral. I originally found the story here via ABC News. The story was held out as demonstrating the power of one random act of kindness, as in the video posted with ABC’s account.

The New York Times updated the story over the weekend, identifying the shoeless beggar:


His name is Jeffrey Hillman, and on Sunday night, he was once again wandering the streets — this time on the Upper West Side — with no shoes.

The $100 pair of boots that Officer DePrimo had bought for him at a Skechers store on Nov. 14 were nowhere to be seen.

“Those shoes are hidden. They are worth a lot of money,” Mr. Hillman said in an interview on Broadway in the 70s. “I could lose my life.”

Mr. Hillman, 54, was by turns aggrieved, grateful and taken aback by all the attention that had come his way — even as he struggled to figure out what to do about it.

“I was put on YouTube, I was put on everything without permission. What do I get?” he said. “This went around the world, and I want a piece of the pie.”

How did Mr. Hillman hits the skids? He doesn’t provide the Times a direct answer:


He was reluctant to talk about how he ended up on the streets, staring blankly ahead when asked how his life went off course.

After a long pause, he shook his head and said, “I don’t know.”

Since Mr. Hillman’s bare feet became famous, other people reported seeing him without shoes — one even after Officer DePrimo’s gift — and one woman said she had bought him a pair of shoes a year ago. Whatever the case, Mr. Hillman seemed accustomed to walking the pavement shoeless.

He was panhandling on Sunday night and carried a cup with a few coins inside.

The Times lets this update speak for itself. At the least, however, it raises a few interesting questions. Is the problem of poverty in the United States a lack of resources? Is the problem of homelessness the lack of a home? Doesn’t the man who wants “a piece of the pie” (hey, it’s only fair) badly need treatment that would have been forced on him in less enlightened times? And is he helped by helped by those who fill his tin cup?"

A case study | Power Line
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Becuase you bigoted fuck, it starst somewhere. You are R-tarded if you think the day Hitler was elected the holiscost was done and over with. A scapegoat starts, it has a begining. In America you people use a small group, a minority... You then wipe the humanity off of them and call them the "1%." Next you blame that 1% for almost all the problems with the country. Then you attack anyone that calls you out on your bullshit.

Will taxing the 1%, the rich, these PEOPLE fix the deficit? The answer is no... So the question is WHY do you want to tax them 3% more, what does it do other than make you a majority oppressing a minority?

Your answer is, “they are rich!!!!!” Point being you might as well say “They are JEWS!!!” or “They are Black!!!” If the reason to tax them serves no purpose to actually pay down the deficit then you are demanding they be taxed more, even 3% more for what reason other than bigotry?
I'll take that as a no.

Oh and you are mistaken if you think Hitler didn't have in mind the Holocaust before he took over Germany or if you think President Obama efforts to allow the Bush tax cut to expire for the most wealthy is in any way simular to the way the Jew were treated in Germany.
So now you can read fucking Hitler’s mind from 80+ years ago... And thanks for once again 100% avoiding my question and doing as I predicted and only seeing "HITLER!!!!!!!!"

You're a bigot, end of story... unless you can tell us all why "the rich" should have 3% more taxes added and no one else should have thier taxes raised.
Well since Hitler did write down his hatred of the Jews, yes, we can all see into his depraved mind by reading Mein Kampf. Now would care to expand on your therory that the efforts to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire (3%) for the upper income brackets is akin to shoveling Humans into gas chambers?

You're the one who regrettably brought Hitlers treatment of the Jews into the discussion.

My questioning is still unanswered.

Oh and every tax payer will still benefit from the extension of the Bush tax cuts for income under 250K even the high incomer earner.
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The issue is we are shifting to a country that spends far more than during the 90's, on military and welfare. The reason many here and Obama himself claim we need to raise taxes is to pay for the deficit, and their "fair share." The "fair share" is of course their fair share of the deficit.

However when asked to provide an approximate number on new revenues on this proposed tax increase most flat out ignore the question. The real answer is it would create very very very little amounts in new revenue. So little that you are still left with well over 1 trillion in annual deficit spending. even a 10 to 1, cuts vs taxes by dollars would not get the annual deficit under 1 trillion. Literally 100 to 1 on cuts VS taxes increases would be in the realm of closing the annual deficit gap. And you would still need a few hundred billion to get there. This is all based of course on IF ALL the “new revenues” are spend 100% only on bringing down the deficit. Hell, Dems are busy starting news wars and raising military spending to record highs, so what are the odds they would use the revenues to pay down a growing deficit.

The conversation is based on either ignorance by many on "the left" (and Obama,) or pure bigotry by those (and Obama) that want to scapegoat "the rich" much like Hitler did to the jews. Taxing more actually does not even kinda sorta fix the problem and "the rich" are paying far more federal taxes (by %) than the poor and in many cases the middle class.

Now all the “taxes for the rich only!!!!!!” people will see is "HITLER!!!" despite it being identically the same and true.
Okay that does nothing to answer the question so I'll ask another one, how does raising the marginal rate on income above 250,000 by 3% scapegoat anyone on any level much less to the level that the Nazi scapegoated the European Jews for the horrible depression Germany experienced in the post WWI?
Throughout history, politicians have needed scapegoats to rally the masses for support.
Obama is using the "rich do not pay their fair share" as his rallying cry. And he has the lemmings in lockstep.
I will agree that the President rally cry has been for the rich to "pay a little more". However I don't think the tax rates of the 90's browbeats anyone and I certainly don't believe the high income earners are being singled out like the Jews were when Hitler took over Germany. That comparison is completely inappropriate to the point of being laughable.
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Because the economy is in the circumstances that it is in, raising taxes at this time, will be disastrous.
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Obama raising taxes on The Rich in order to help the economy is like an arsonist showing up at a fire he set and trying to put it out with a flame thrower.
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